Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and Nintendo 3DS

I do gotta say finally getting a Paper Mario/Bowser's Castle stage and having it be from Sticker Star rather than 64, TTYD, or SPM was a bit of a monkey's paw. But they threw us a bone with the S.S. Flavio section, so I'm happy about that. And we got more Mario & Luigi music rather than just Gritzy Desert (which... weirdly didn't make it back), despite the lack of ones from Superstar Saga, so that's nice!

@RetroPokeFan Heres to hoping he'll come back for 5.

@Soul-dragon HELL-FREAKING YEAH!

Hoping that Marth and Roy will get voiced?

@Soul-dragon OH YE GODS

@Luigikun Yes. I need this in my life so bad!

@Mr. Kite Sonic's voice lines were recycled from Sonic Generations. And that's for both English & Japanese.

@Shaun Ince
His final smash line was actually gotten from Sonic Lost World

@Soul-dragon

Why would Twilight Zelda have BOTW Zelda's voice? Why should she get dubbed and not the other Zelda characters? All they do is grunt so it'd be kind of pointless. I wouldn't say it's something they *need* to do since no one's really losing sleep over it.

@NCZ I guess... but I still would like to hear Marth and Roy with English voices since they actually have some taunts and victory lines. As for Zelda, I definitely wouldn't lose any sleep over her not being dubbed. I honestly didn't like Sumersett's portrayal that much. It seemed like she was trying to hard to sound British.

@Abdullab

Yeah, my hope for a Smash Bros. game on Switch is:

- Use the Wii U as the base and bring EEEVERYTHING over
- Compatible with the GCN adapter
- Add an adventure mode. I don't even need it to have a crazy plot like the Subspace Emissary did (though if we did get that I'd still be cool with that). A more deluxe version of Melee's, with stages based on each of the various universes, is perfect to me.
- Inklings, Wolf, Snake. Please.
- Bring back Target Test! Didn't really like Target Blast.

Tons of other things I'd love (e.g. alt skins... I want to play as the OOT, Skyward, BOTW, etc. versions of the Zelda cast... and more FF and Street Fighter music, trophies, and items) but all that is what I think would be really cool.

There were only a handful of 3DS stages that I really liked but I wouldn't mind if they brought all of them over. Even at least the retro stages that were in that one.

@Pancake_Scoodle

This game's hype cycle was a ton of fun, but man do I wish the GameFAQs Brawl boards from 2005 - 2007 were archived. GameFAQs only started archiving their boards around the time the game came out, so all of the pre-release stuff is lost. There was so much insanity, it was one of my favourite times on the internet. It's crazy to think that was over 10 years ago now.

@Shaun Ince SAG-AFTRA rules require actors in union games to be compensated if their work is reused. Nintendo probably just found it cheaper/more efficient to not do that.

@Shaun Ince (If I didnt say this before) Do you ever wonder why they maintain all the Japanese actors, who presumably are contracted under the same rate, but dont do the same, or even unionize, for the English dub? Considering that this is Smash Bros, & that Nintendo didn't simply outsource this without consideration for who does a dub.

Bearing in mind there isnt a ton of dialogue/recording time to be paid for in a fighting game like Smash, & that the dubbed version sold just as much as the Japanese release - & Smash has always sold very well in the States, Brawl selling *twice* as much in US alone, as it did in Japan.

Video games are also the most *expensive* voice-over in Japan, too, IIRC. So it seems weird that they arnt consistent there. I mean, it's not like Japanese fans notice VAs more, right? Plenty of kids, I'm sure, noticed the change of say, Dragon Ball VAs, the way kids here notice the recasts of the PPG reboot.

@NCZ That does kinda explain why they brought in Seitz & Komure to "voice match" them in this game. At least Hynden Walch got to reprise her role as Viridi in this game.

@Shaun Ince Although it's so weird because Hynden has no history of doing non-union stuff. Guess she just figured she's being nice.

@Nightmare Crusher I expected to be Chermai Leigh, but I didn't expect to be Marcella Lentz Pope since I only did see one episode with Jin in Avatar: The Last Airbender.

@Nightmare Crusher me too and what I remembered Marcella Lentz-Pope she voiced Moira Burton in RE: Revelations 2.

@NCZ Now I have yet another reason to miss Snake.

@Nightmare Crusher *i the best Snake voice I can muster* "Why did you disguise yourself as Corrin?"

@NCZ I can feel the tension. Just who is Corrin? Lots of people have said Cam Clarke and while it does sound like him I've had some doubts. Come on, show me the money!

@NCZ I hope my guess the female version of Corrin got to be Chermai Leigh got to be correct. (I'm downloading the Corrin data to see I can check on Corrin also.)

Shazzammity-lam!

@King Marth 64 Done downloading Corrin, but the Patch for my Wii U copy hasn't been download yet. What the heck?

@Nightmare Crusher It hasn't been officially announced yet, but there's maintenance going on from 7:50 pm EST --> 9:30 pm EST. So, probably a bit after then's when everything available.

@King Marth 64 *Corrin (I have no idea why the first one in my previous post that I typed have two Is instead of two Rs?)

@King Marth 64 You're correct about Female Corrin. No doubt that it's Cherami Leigh.

To answer your question about Male Corrin... it's most definitely Cam Clarke. The guy voiced Leonardo in the 80s TMNT cartoon, Liquid Snake in the Metal Gear Solid franchise, Simba in Kingdom Hearts 2, etc. He's done a LOT.

I can't WAIT to download both Bayonetta and Corrin! XD

@NCZ Okay so the Japanese voices are officially confirmed. Same actors from Fates. I believe I know who's voicing the two Corrins in English:

I know it's Cam Clarke as Male Corrin cause I know his voice when I hear it and Female Corrin, I'm 90% sure it's Erica Mendez (Aladdin from Magi and Ryuko from Kill la Kill).

I know it's not official yet but I have a strong feeling it's those two actors.

@Jessica Marra I'm pretty sure the Female Corrin sounded more like Chermai Leigh than Erica Mendez, but I could wrong though.

@King Marth 64 You think it's Chermai Leigh? I listened to Female Corrin more and more and now I believe it's Carrie Keranen. I know her voice when I hear it. She was in Xenoblade Chronicles as Irina, Kill La Kill as Satsuki and Yamraiha in Magi.

@King Marth 64 No, I'm so sorry, King Marth 64... you're more right than I am. I listened to Female Corrin over and over again and yes, I know it IS Cherami Leigh. I was wrong. My mistake.

But again... they're not going to officially post the voice actors till the release date for Male and Female Corrin will be out by next month.

@Jessica Marra

The good news is there's only a bit under four weeks until Fates is out in NA, and the DLC will probably be out around the same time. I have a feeling that the DLC may actually come out first, though. Just what my gut tells me.

I remember the dub cast list for Awakening was actually available early because a bunch of stores were selling the game a week before they were supposed to. I was wondering if that'd happen again, but Nintendo seems to have been a lot stricter about that recently. We'll see though. I'm prepared either way.

@NCZ Man, I hope we get to see the full English cast soon but if Nintendo is strict about this, oh, well. Still I believe my prediction is true.

Also I know without a doubt that Matthew Mercer is Ryoma. It's great he plays another character in the Fire Emblem series cause I loved him as Chrom from Awakening.

I loved the English cast of Awakening so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the English cast of Fates will be just as good or surprisingly better (not likely or maybe) than Awakening.

@Jessica Marra

Well, now that I think of it, Xenoblade X just recently had its cast listed a week or so early too, because someone with access to a press copy (provided by Nintnedo) released it. Nintendo usually gives press copies of their games pretty early so theoretically that kind of situation could happen again. Fingers crossed.

Yeah, Mercer's definitely Ryoma. I kind of have mixed thoughts on that since I'm not really a fan of when RPGs cast the same voice actor as a similar main character archetype using the same voice for two games in a row, but oh well.

Other than that it's nice to see that the cast of Fates seems to be pretty fresh thus far. There've been some shakeups in Cup of Tea's talent pool since Awakening came out (influx of newer "Bang Zoom" VAs, a healthy assortment of visiting voice actors from Texas, etc.) so I think they can pull together something great.

(I know that Yoshimasa Hosoya and Miyuki Sawashiro are in Fates as well, but Hosoya's primary role is a supporting character on top of reprising Robin and Sawashiro's character is... very different from Robin, so I'm fine with it)

@NCZ Well... with Mercer playing Ryoma, I noticed he made his voice a bit deeper than how he played Chrom.

As for Male and Female Corrin again... I'm calling it right now:

Cam Clarke is Male Corrin
Cherami Leigh is Female Corrin

What about you?

@Jessica Marra

Ah, well...

Male Corrin has some qualities that I agree remind me of Cam Clarke but I wouldn't be surprised if it's someone else.

I'm not really familiar with Cherami Leigh's work since I don't really watch a lot of anime dubs. I saw a few episodes of Sgt Frog right around the time Funi got the license but it's been been long enough that I can't tell you what she sounds like off memory. Checking out a few clips to refresh my memory on here I guess there are some qualities in common. I can't really throw out any suggestions of my own since I don't know a lot of the newer Cup of Tea actresses that well either.

Overall I suppose I'm a very non-committal type of person as you can see.

@Webmike1 The T rating was for Fire Emblem Fates! n_n

@VaisuKaguya Was just about to coment that. And ff you (or anyone else) is wondering, it was due to the fact that Bayonetta 1 didn't have a Japanese dub 1st came out for Japan, but after Anime they got a japanese Dub for them, which they used for Bayonetta 2 and (most likely) Smash 4.

I wonder if that means switching the costumes switches the voices. I have the Japanese version of Smash and I like both of Bayo's voices so I would welcome this.

@VaisuKaguya Yes, in the Japanese version, Bayonetta will speak Japanese in the Bayo2 outfit, and English in the Bayo1 outfit.

Shame that's the kind of thing that'll be lost in translation because it's a really cool nod. The lack of a Japanese audio option in general is a missed opportunity but ah well.

@Dark_Fiction I am also in the apparent minority of folks who enjoyed the Corrin announcement. Hell, I even threw a suggestion for him the Smash Fighter Ballot.

And I wanted Bayonetta in the game since Bayonetta 2. SO glad that the vast majority of folks around thought the same.

REALLY looking forward playing as them both.

As for Corrin's voices, males sounds like Cam Clarke, and female, with the few lines she's had, kinda sounds like Erica Mendez. That's my guess.

And of course Hellena Taylor's reprising Bayo. There's no reason she wouldn't.

@Dark_Fiction I've heard that Steve Burton was busy recording for the FFVII remake, but that might not be it.

@Dark_Fiction
Steve Burton has confirmed that he wasn't asked to return on Twitter the day after Cloud was announced. Though the asked afterwards (which I was hoping), but sadly it seems like they didn't. And as someone below has commented It could have been a union issue.



Link: https://twitter.com/1steveburton/status/665628225687707648

@NCZ I'm gonna give my recap on 3 characters that i didn't expect for 3 reasons :

Ryu - Didn't expect him to be in this, leaks aside, since i already felt like we already got a Capcom representative, but in trailer and fun facts from sakurai proved me wrong.

Cloud - I honestly cannot believe that Cloud of all 3rd parties would be in this that he isn't on a Nintendo consoles regardless of cameo appearences on said Nintendo consoles.

Bayonetta - i'll be honest with you, she is the one who is at least on Nintendo platform well on Bayonetta 2 packed in with the original Bayonetta, unlike cloud here.

But i digress.

@SteelEthlan For exact 3 reasons:*

@Nightmare Crusher I think Bayonetta's more stylized guns kept her out of the proverbial danger zone, compared to Snake's very realistic weaponry.

@Scrappy-Fan92 Also, those bullets are Fairy souls. Take that, Navi!

@SteelEthlan Yes, Bayonetta is still considered third-party, which means Namco only got one character when they helped develop the game (although Heihachi from Tekken was rumored to be considered).

@Scrappy-Fan92 To be perfectly honest, i feel like Lloyd (As much i doubted for him to be in Smash) would've been a great fill in as 2nd representative to Namco, like with Sonic and Bayonetta to Sega, and lastly Mega Man and Ryu to Capcom.

@SteelEthlan If we had to get another Bandai Namco rep, I'd choose Agumon in a heartbeat.

Namco has a bunch of characters that would fit in great, but my top choices would probably be Lloyd, KOS-MOS, or Klonoa. Maybe Jin Kazama as an honourable mention.

Capcom has so many feasible characters that my dream game would be straight-up making Nintendo VS Capcom.

@NCZ Am I the only one who feels like Smash 4 dropped the ball with character voices?

@Scrappy-Fan92 Getting to hear Takahiro Sakurai isn't a bad thing to me though~

Nah, they cut corners in a lot of ways, definitely.

@NCZ It's just doubly weird after Square-Enix went out of its way to get him back for the Final Fantasy VII Remake.

@NCZ That's disappointing, I really wondered why Nintendo didn't ask Steven Burton voice Cloud, but Corrin and Bayonetta were speaking English in the trailers, but they still keep Cloud without an English dialogue?

@Scrappy-Fan92 I'm guessing it might be a union thing.

@Nightmare Crusher I think that might be it actually.

@NCZ I don't really have a problem with Takahiro's Cloud it still would have been awesome hear Burton in the game. Oh well it's not that big of a deal I guess.

@HylianBelmont *To hear

@Nightmare Crusher I think we all know who he was talking about.

http://thekoalition.com/images/2013/04/solid-snake-saluting-in-metal-gear-solid-4.jpg

@NCZ Honestly, at this point I'm almost glad Snake never showed up. The last thing I feel like doing right now is supporting Konami.

@Nightmare Crusher Yeah, that's true. Knowing them I wouldn't be surprised if they'd want some ridiculous deal like getting all the profits from Snake DLC. That'd ensure no one would buy him. :V

@Nightmare Crusher I hope you're joking, and i hope they realize that manga character(s) and movie character(s) that had a game adaption do not count here.

@SteelEthlan Yes I'm joking. I put Goku on the list twice for a reason.

@SteelEthlan He's clearly talking about this Goku: http://nintendo.wikia.com/wiki/Goku

@BlueHeracross Bayonetta IS the poll character. In the presentation they explicitly said she was chosen because she was the highest-ranking negotiable/feasible character.

@NCZ
That's why I was sighing

@BlueHeracross Well to each their own.

@NCZ
Don't get me wrong, even if I didn't exactly want her I still think she'll make a great addition. I'm just a little disappointed that she was the sole addition from the poll.

@BlueHeracross Fair enough. Yeah, the good thing about SSB4 is that it makes even the characters we dislike into amazing fighters who fit in perfectly. Personally Bayonetta's inclusion makes me happy on a number of levels but that's just me.

I'm actually really surprised we didn't get Inklings considering what a runaway hit Splatoon was, but oh well.

I didn't expect Corrin at all and have mixed thoughts on them but they look to have a really cool playstyle so I'll stay optimistic. In a perfect world their inclusion wouldn't feel like overkill because there would be no Roy but ah well.

@Nightmare Crusher Look at it this way: at least it's not Chrom.

@NCZ It's cold comfort, man. They should have just not done Roy and brought in a completely different character. The fact that Fire Emblem is tied with Pokemon for characters in this game is just surreal.

@Nightmare Crusher While I do believe Fire Emblem is overrepresented (with Lucina by herself, FE has more characters than Zelda, let that sink in) I actually kind of like Corrin's interesting moveset. I do wish we had gotten someone like Lip from Panel de Pon, or a Golden Sun character.

@Scrappy-Fan92 Like Issac?

@SteelEthlan Isaac's the most popular choice, but his son from Dark Dawn would be okay too (just downplay the sword-aspects of the characters who do use swords).

@Metabad He'll be revealed in the Direct in February when they announce Bayo and Corrin's release dates, along with more info on Star Fox Zero.

Right...? ;_;

@NCZ Keep that dream alive man...

Someone still has to have hope:(

@Nightmare Crusher No, we never did. Oh well.

I figured out who "Teiya Ichiryusai" is though. Stage name for Aya Hara (Krystal on Lylat Cruise).

@King Marth 64 For some reason, I doubt that they'd have a full gameplay trailer ready for Cloud if he was one of the Ballot "winners".

@Nightmare Crusher Well... we have this guy! (As a costume.)

http://www.smashbros.com/sp/us/images/dlc/costume_3_7.jpg

@NCZ NO! I have found the perfect candidate!
https://twitter.com/HIDEO__KOJIMA_/status/664940790565765120

@Nightmare Crusher I can see it now.

http://41.media.tumblr.com/15c7fd4416a4340eb1409087c2b475fa/tumblr_nc5twcaiPz1qk5wyfo1_500.jpg

@NCZ You know what the best part of that picture is? The fact that Nomura's(I think) face doesn't even look edited in.

@NCZ Please don't die for real. I was only joking.

@Nightmare Crusher O0I'M HAVING A HEART ATTACK RIGHT NOW

@NCZ SOMEBODY HELP! THIS GUY ARE SICK!

@NCZ Death it is!

@NCZ Do ya still want death?

@Ghosty404 I already feel like I've died and come back to life.

@Nightmare Crusher David Goldfarb has said that some of his clips were used, though as far as I can tell much of it is from New Super Mario Bros Wii.

@Kirbopher Here:

http://i.imgur.com/wjJ5AT3.jpg

Confirmation for Hiroki Takahashi (高橋 広樹):
http://i.imgur.com/0BUbc5P.jpg

@SonikkuAensland No kidding, I've been trying to download the new stuff for the past 1-2 hours. Twice I was at the point where I was about to have my credit card charged and then the server crapped out. :/

My favourite part of Ryu's trailer was definitely the homage to Super Street Fighter II's attract sequence at the beginning. That was my first Street Fighter game and seeing that put a huge grin on my face.

@Axem Red

I put in Axel from Streets of Rage on there. Would he make it in? Probably not but I figured what the hell give it a shot.

@Nightmare Crusher On one hand, Roy is trash. Fire Emblem has a massive cast of diverse characters and classes with nearly unlimited possibilities to choose from - archers, mages, manaketes, pegasus knight... but no, let's go with another swordsman and another Marth clone.

On the other hand, Ryu being in Smash Bros. has been a pipe dream of mine for years and I would be ecstatic if they actually added him. The sheer wealth of music, stages, and Assist Trophies they can draw from the Street Fighter series is mind-boggling, and his moveset practically writes itself. I'd be totally cool with him being in the game.

Also, they found the N64 Gourmet Race and GCN Cabbage Cavern themes from the Kirby series, which are the two main pieces of music from that series whose absences I found most conspicuous. So yeah, I'm pretty pumped about that too.

@NCZ Yeah, I would have brought back Wolf far sooner than Roy. Unless they completely revamp his moveset then what's the point.

Ryu is just a fantastic choice though. The guy is basically the face of fighting games and I would expect him to be just fun to play. Can't wait to see him in action.

@NCZ Yeah, but we can assume the fact that the number of 3rd party characters can only be limited to 2-3. If that's the case it can broke the rule about "two or three numbers of 3rd party characters" thing.

You may be already aware that, there's already a 3rd party capcom character such as megaman so it would be honestly pointless from here on out.

Why does anyone want a fighter that is from a 2D fighting game to another 2.5D Platforming-Fighting game?

Sorry, just felt serious about this.

@Nightmare Crusher Darn straight. And the only part of a moveset that could seriously be changed is the final smash itself. And he should have a custom moves that matches up with wolf's either similarly or differently. And here i thought ness having Lucas' moveset as his custom moves pretty much broke down his chances to be brought back. But, boy i was really proven wrong.

@SteelEthlan Play MVC2 or Tatsunoko VS Capcom and you'll know that Ryu has no problem fitting into an OTT crossover fighting game.

At any rate, the "limit 1 per company" rule is more fan-imposed than anything considering I can't remember Sakurai saying it anywhere. Ryu is one of the few third-party characters I'd say is as close to iconic as the three we have, so I think he's fine.

At any rate, I do want to point out that nothing's really definitive until we get an official source.

@Nightmare Crusher I'm actually pretty glad Roy's returning, he was always my brother's main, and I always felt Ike was a disappointing replacement for him. Yeah he was a Marth clone, but between the two I always found Roy a lot more memorable. Plus while there are tons of Fire Emblem characters already, his moveset could easily be changed, especially since we already have Lucina in this.

But as for Ryu, that's just...what...why? I can't see that working at all. It doesn't seem like he'd fit at all with the style of the game, it's just completely out of left field. Plus he's already part of his own fighting game series. It'd make a bit more sense if it were just a Mii outfit, I think.

I'm no Street Fighter hater or anything (loved Third Strike) but Ryu would just be completely out of place here stylistically, and I can't see a moveset for him working at all in Smash Bros.

That's just me though, and I guess we'll see if he fits if/when he shows up.

@Metabad The devs seem to consider familiarity to be important. Noting how characters like Falco, Ganondorf, Dr. Mario, and even Mewtwo and Lucas are unchanged from their original self, I'm not really holding my breath for a Roy revamp. Unless they pull a fast one and turn him into an Ike clone. Which would probably be worse than leaving him as is.

I feel very much the opposite regarding Ryu's moveset. It practically writes itself.

B - Hadoken
Up B - Shoryuken
Smash B - Tatsumaki Senpukyaku
Down B - Maybe an Alpha Counter, Parry, or Focus Attack

For custom moves, there's the Shakunetsu Hadoken, Denjin Hadoken, Shinkuu Tatsumaki Senpukyaku, and all of his EX moves from SF3 and 4. They could even pull some of the other shotos' moves if they really need to (Ken, Sakura, Gouken, Sean, etc.) His Final Smash could be Shinkuu Hadoken or even Shin Shoryuken.

As for fitting in... this IS the series that put Snake in the same game as Yoshi, Kirby, and Pikachu. Not to mention, Street Fighter has always had a very stylized and comic book-esque aesthetic. If we're talking Daigo's overly-beefy fishfaced Ryu (from SF3, 4, and 5), then yeah, I can see how he might look odd. But if we're talking classic, Street Fighter II Ryu, I think that'd be pretty okay.

http://www.noe-v.com/images/articles/bengus/bengus_ryu.jpg
http://www.fightersgeneration.com/np2/char1/ryu-nxc-big.jpg
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/streetfighter/images/c/cb/Ryu-hdstance.gif/revision/latest?cb=20100718231721

I think Little Mac is actually the best point of reference for this. Again, I'd like to point to Tatsunoko VS Capcom. I feel that game gives a pretty good idea of how Ryu would blend into a colourful and zany crossover mascot game.

While it's on my mind, I'd like to mention that Sakurai is actually a Street Fighter fan. He mentioned that back in the day, he was a big arcade game player and even won a local Street Fighter II tournament. So knowing that he likes the series, Ryu doesn't seem like too crazy an idea. It's actually kind of a no-brainer--he's practically the face of fighting games and has been in dozens of Capcom VS Whoever crossovers, so why not include him in the biggest crossover fighter of all?

If Ryu really does get added, I'm actually quite curious as to whether the idea to include him came from a Capcom suggestion or from Sakurai himself.

@NCZ While yeah they are relatively unchanged (barring maybe a few different animations and such) I think the main reason they'd at least try to change up Roy a bit is because the game already has Lucina as their Marth clone, so having two would pretty much be redundant. (For the record I do agree that there are pretty much an over abundance of FE characters here already, but Roy's one of the few who I don't disagree with them adding him, whereas I feel Ike was only added because he was in the previous game and Lucina should've just been an alt costume for Marth at best.)

See, here's the thing that I find ridiculously out of place (aside from the style in general): in the original Street Fighter games you have all these complex button combinations to pull off moves whereas with Smash Bros., it's pretty much a non-traditional fighting game with simple, easy to pull off moves. So either way I figure he's just going to feel strange and unfamiliar in this game, add to that you're probably going to get a bunch of SF fanboys unfavourably comparing Smash Bros. to Street Fighter thanks to this. You're either going to have fans of the original game calling Ryu too simple and dumbed down in this game, or you're going to have Smash Bros. fans complaining about the complex moves in the original games. Either way it's going to feel jarring and I'm really not looking forward to any possible fanbase war here.

I'll give you Snake, but I always felt that his inclusion was more of a tongue-in-cheek thing, like they knew it was a stupidly awesome idea to include him in the game and they just completely had fun with it. (Although in retrospect, I'd have probably expected a Castlevania character like Simon Belmont to be included before I'd ever expect Snake, and I do think he'd be more at home in a Playstation fighting game, but we already have Raiden in Battle Royale, so...) I guess they could do the same with Ryu, but I dunno, I just looked at all those pictures and "Smash Bros." is pretty much the last thing that comes to mind when I look at them, even when I try to think about how they'd make him fit in, I feel like it broke my brain even trying to think about it when my friend first told me about this. I'd have to see him in action before I ever believe that he'd fit.

I mean we already pretty much have a Capcom representative in this game, having two of them as fighters just feels redundant. To me personally it'd feel just as out of place as say...Scorpion from Mortal Kombat in this game, [sarcasm mode]I mean he's a big name fighter, he has a move list already, he's been in Mortal Kombat vs. DC, so why not, right?[/sarcasm mode]

But yeah, I guess we'll have to wait and see if he gets included, or if he fits at all. I've said my piece on it and I think I've said enough about it, so I think it'd be for the best if I just stopped here. I'll just bow out and wait and see for myself how I'll feel about any of this whenever the heck it happens. In the meantime, I have Mewtwo to download and loads of other stuff to do.

@Metabad

You know, the more I think about it, the more I realize my problem isn't Roy himself. If this was Brawl, or if Robin was the only FE newcomer this time around, I don't really think I'd have an issue. The problem is Lucina. Obviously, she and Roy aren't exactly the same, but they more or less fill a similar niche of being a (near) 1:1 Marth clone without his tipper mechanic. If we got Roy but not Lucina, sure, I can live with that. If we got Lucina but not Roy, hey, that's cool. I'm just not sure exactly what ground is itching to be broken by having two of them.

At first I felt the same way about Dr. Mario, but the thing is, Mario and Luigi have evolved significantly and independently between now and Melee. By bringing back Doc almost totally unchanged from his Melee self, the three characters actually play very differently. So funnily enough, what was originally the cloniest clone in the entire series (conceptually speaking) became one of the more justified ones, simply by leaving him completely as is!

While Roy's not really my favourite FE character, I want to emphasize that my bemusement at his potential addition is more due to the fact that, at least in my mind, he's not really a particularly necessary or innovative addition to the roster. Just like Chrom. I know that Ike was only an offhanded mention of yours, but I feel he's a very justified addition to the series. Apart from Marth, he's the only character to have been THE main character of more than one Fire Emblem game. From a moveset perspective, he may be a swordsman but his slower and more brutal playstyle makes him a nice contrast to Marth. Also, what I think is interesting is that all the FE characters in SSB4 represent every FE game released between 2007 and 2014 (Radiant Dawn, the DS remakes, and Awakening), which is pretty cool. All in all, Ike is an a-okay addition in my book.

I do see your point regarding Ryu and the button inputs... on the other hand, I feel like that won't be too huge an issue. If they were to add a Tekken or Soulcalibur character, I would agree that those characters are so complex that they would absolutely be lost in translation. But Street Fighter movesets are relatively simplistic as it is. It's really just a matter of remapping, and if that's done well enough, it's easily adaptable. That's honestly really the key to being a good fighting game player - being able to adapt well to the different styles of each game. Seeing what they did with Mega Man makes me pretty confident that they can take liberties but still create a character who feels faithful to his original self.

Ultimately though, how well Ryu fits in visually is pretty subjective. So that's pretty much all up to the individual. I'll actually freely admit that in spite of Street Fighter being my personal favourite Capcom series, I knew from the start that Smash would go with Mega Man first. After that I'd thought Phoenix Wright, Viewtiful Joe, or even Leon S. Kennedy would be next in line. Ryu seemed like more of a longshot for various reasons.

As far as multiple representatives from companies go, I have no problem with it personally as long as they're iconic enough and they don't go overboard. Snake and Simon Belmont? That'd be cool. Pac-Man and Klonoa (bit more of a pipe dream)? That'd be great. If Ryu really did get added, I would be surprised that Capcom would get a second character before Sonic, though.

Now, Scorpion, THERE'S a character who wouldn't fit in at all. (Probably doesn't help that Mortal Kombat has next to 0 presence in Japan.)

To add since I forgot to mention, it also probably doesn't help that Roy will probably cost real money on top of the game itself. On one hand I like having a complete game, but Roy's not really the kind of character I would pay for. If they bundled him with Lucas or some extra stages though, then yeah, I'd probably bite.

@NCZ Dude i explained it before and i'll say it again, there no need for another character that were also in part of *Insert 3rd party franchise here* because it would literally defeat the purpose of having 2-3 guest characters in Super Smash Bros. only. That's just it.

@SteelEthlan The point isn't that there's an arbitrary limit to how many third-parties there should be, the point is that the number of third-parties should be proportional to the number of actual Nintendo characters.

Say Ryu gets added and gives us 4 third parties. If there were 4 non-Nintendo characters in the N64 game, they'd make up 33% of the roster. That's excessive. This game has nearly 60 characters. 4 third-party characters wouldn't even be 7% of the roster. As long as that percentage remains low and they stick only to truly iconic characters, I don't see the problem.

@NCZ First off, Hi. I'm new here. and I really wanted to join in on the conversation.

I love that some people speculate that Ruy will be announced at E3 and that Capcom might announce a nintendo characer for the next streetfighter at the same time. of course this is all speculation.

And about Roy, Last I heard he was one of the most pined for characters in Japan.

That was unexpected. He does a good Masachika impression tho.

@NCZ He also voiced Maxie in the anime.

@NCZ I didn't expect to see Keiji is doing his take on mewtwo and i gotta say he does a solid impression of mewtwo for me.

@NCZ That's odd, I actually heard they just used the Melee voice clips, I did hear from one of my other friends that they altered some of the clips a bit. But then again, the credits are right there, so...

@Metabad Anyways, I'm a bit sad that Jay Goede didn't get to come back, but I'm sure this new guy will do a great job.

@Metabad For reference, these are Mewtwo's voice clips in the game.

https://youtu.be/vxvlOR47HzY?t=4s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnf9_HxYYjc

And his Melee clips, for comparison's sake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR_G08HZAFk

Fujiwara sounds smoother than Ichimura, but they are quite similar. The laugh is probably the most obvious difference.

(I haven't uploaded the clips yet as I am waiting for clean gamerips from the Japanese game - just like in Melee, Mewtwo has additional dialogue that was removed from the international versions)

@NCZ Maes Hughes is Mewtwo?! I wasn't expecting that!! I'm really liking him going by the clips!!! He sounds pretty similar to Masachika. It kind of sucks that some of his dialogue was removed in the international releases.

@NCZ Yeah, as it turns out, Fujiwara just does such a good job at replacing Ichimura that he had all my friends fooled that they were actually reused Melee clips. I did notice a slight difference, (the new voice isn't quite as deep and guttural) but it's really hard to tell if you're not actively looking for it or comparing the two side by side. He's pretty seamless otherwise.

@VaisuKaguya That's what i heard he sounds almost like Masachika's voice of mewtwo.

@VGAfanatic I'm afraid that it's too late to use the clips from Marth in Code Name: S.T.E.A.M because:

A) They didn't look over the clips Marth has in Code Name: S.T.E.A.M because he was voiced by Yuri Lowenthal himself.

B) Other than that, i'm totally right with you i'm totally disappointed that they didn't have any english voice actors for marth in Super Smash Bros. U and 3DS (Bout to call that for the lack of subtitle) either like Yuri or Spike.

& C) Maybe they might as well put either of these voice clips as part of the updates but it's some sort of stretch for me.

I said clips, marth and code name: s.t.e.a.m twice i know. But i don't care.

@Nightmare Crusher There is in fact a voting petition for the DLC characters we can type to vote. Ever heard of "Super Smash Bros. Fighter Ballot?"

@Nightmare Crusher There's one character I'd give my soul to be in Smash, and I implore everyone to vote for them.

http://i.imgur.com/rPNKbxx.png

"Team! Unite up!"

I thought it was a joke when my brother told me since it's April Fools but the trailer said otherwise. Happy my Brawl main is back.

@NCZ Same here man, i thought he'll be excluded from the DLC line up, but boy this right here shows that mewtwo is not the only DLC character that were available.

Speaking of mewtwo, he strikes back in the battlefield. Both figuratively and literally.

You know what that means? There is now a possibility that which characters should've been in smash long ago.

@NCZ It also gives me more hope that Wolf will return as DLC.

@Axem Red Oh, absolutely. I wouldn't even be surprised if Wolf is already in the works and he's coming in autumn or something. He was one of my favourites in Brawl and if he were to be added, the roster would effectively be complete in my mind.

@NCZ Unless Solid Snake decides to return with Raiden and Meryl.

@Aussieroth That's probably not happening.

@NCZ I have a feeling they're preparing Wolf, too. I bet he'll get a trailer alongside a release date and price for Lucas during their E3 Livestream. I mean, Lucas turned out to be a surprise, so I think it's only natural Wolf should follow suit.

Speaking of Mewtwo, REALLY hoping they get Jay Goede back to record for Mewtwo. If they use the alias Phillip Bartlett for him, all the better. =)

@VGAfanatic Yup. Out of all the Brawl veterans, most of the cuts were understandable as they all had some kind of obstacle including them.

Ice Climbers - Caused technical problems of some sort on the 3DS version.

Squirtle, Ivysaur - Similar to Ice Climbers--although unconfirmed, it seems pretty obvious that transforming characters were removed due to 3DS limitations, and they figured Charizard was the only one worth bringing back.

Snake - Not a Nintendo character, and it's been stated that the number of third-party characters in the game will be limited in order to preserve the game's essence as a Nintendo crossover. Not to mention, Metal Gear has always been more closely associated with Playstation than Nintendo. While he made a great addition to Brawl and his absence this time around is definitely disappointing, there always has been the sense that Snake was included more as a favour to Kojima (due to his friendship with Sakurai) than anything else. And now Kojima's not even with Konami anymore, so there's that.

Wolf is a unique fighter, popular, a veteran, owned by Nintendo, wouldn't cause any technical issues, and would help promote the new Star Fox game. There's no reason not to bring him back and I can definitely see his announcement happening at E3.

As for Mewtwo, I definitely think Masachika Ichimura will be back but I'm not sure if he'll have an English VA. SSB4 took a very pragmatic approach to recording new dialogue, and so I can see the developers going, "Well, he already has some perfectly usable clips from Melee, and we don't really need to record anything new, so let's just use those again." And then there's Marth, who's still undubbed despite his game being released outside Japan by now. It can go either way but I'm not going to hold my breath. We'll know in three days, at any rate.

@NCZ
Main reason for Pokemon being dubbed is if they have different names to say (Greninja/Gekkouga, Jigglypuff/Purin, Squirtle/Zenigame, Ivysaur/Fushigisou). Charizard only roars, hence why it wasn't dubbed.

Lucario has the same name in both languages but it talks like anyone else so naturally he'd be dubbed. I think he was redubbed in English cause of his different line for his new final smash and cause Sean was actually available this time.

So unless Mewtwo actually talks this time I see no reason it'd be dubbed. But that's just me.

Charizard/Lizardon*

@VaisuKaguya Mewtwo actually did have spoken dialogue in the Japanese version of Melee. He said some stuff in Japanese during his victory poses. In the international versions they left Mewtwo undubbed, but took those lines out. Fox and Falco had the same thing happen to them.

I wouldn't be surprised if they take that route again for this game.

@NCZ Oh, didn't know that.

Actually I always found it amusing how Fox's taunt was changed to "Come on!" in English but still voiced by Satouchi.

But yeah I don't really see Mewtwo being dubbed. They'll probably just reuse the Melee clips too, not that I mind.

@VaisuKaguya If you have an NTSC copy of Melee, you can actually change the language to Japanese in-game and then you get to hear the extra voice clips. That's how I found out about that little tidbit originally. Hopefully you can navigate the menus though.

IIRC in the Japanese version, Fox has two taunts. He can say either, "Come on!" (which was used internationally) or "Kakatte koi!" ...which is Japanese for "Come on!" Falco also has two taunts instead of the "Heh" noise he makes in English.

I was kind of disappointed that SSBU doesn't have a Japanese language toggle, but I guess there's only so much space on the disc. It was fun to fool around and discover cool little oddities and versional differences like that. You can change the Wii U system language manually, which will affect the game, but Japanese isn't an option unless the console itself is a Japanese one. I've played some of the game in French and it is a pretty interesting experience. Dedede is called "Roi Dadidou".

When I did play Melee I liked mixing between the languages, I just never played Mewtwo lmao.

I don't recall Fox saying "Come on!" with the Japanese setting but it's been a while.

I didn't care that Brawl had no Japanese setting cause the English stuff was pretty good, but a lotta the new voices in Smash U were pretty meh (The Star Fox ones were awful) and it has 2 of my favorite VAs (Miyuki Sawashiro and Yu Kobayashi) so I pretty much had no choice but to go out of my way to import a Wii U with the Japanese version of the game (Thankfully I didn't have a Wii U already). Needless to say it was well worth it.

@VaisuKaguya Wow, you've got a Japanese Wii U? Looks like someone gets to play Xenoblade Chronicles X before I do... you could be right about Fox, though. It's been a scary amount of time since I played with the languages in Melee.

Wait, you're the one who provided me with the Pokemon voice info, right? (I'm bad with names. I'm sorry if I forgot.)

The magnitude of dual audio's absence from this and Brawl only really hit me when I was getting the sound clips for all the player characters. I got to Pit's voices and realized that, despite Uprising being my favourite 3DS game ever, I had never once heard Minami Takayama's performance as him. Even though it's been three years, Uprising is still my favourite 3DS game to this day, so realizing that made me feel pretty ashamed.

Yeah that was me lol. No one ever uses the sound test, let alone probably being aware it has the VA credits next to each character, so I doubt that info woulda been brought to light otherwise.

But yeah it was kinda weird hearing some of the seiyuu for characters I was so use to hearing in English (Pit, Meta Knight, Ike, etc) but they're all really good.

I only watched a playthrough of Uprising (no 3DS :

Gah, why was this cut off.

I only watched a playthrough of Uprising (no 3DS :

Okay is there a reason I only see part of this paragraph?

@Aelvir Yeah it could've have more reps for toon link but after that i just accepted it and move on.

Also, i can see where you are getting at but at the same time i got used to his reused voice that i didn't care.

Also, i am totally with you man i too seriously do not get why didn't they get the voice actors to do the voices for Donkey Kong, Bowser and Diddy while bowser jr. and yoshi had that is just bugs me.

But i digress we just have to get used to it which i am right now.

@SteelEthlan Also, I rather have Vaati as part of villain variety.

@Sarge Ray Only because they've been voicing their respective characters in a recent star fox game (Ergo, the remake of Star Fox 64).

And the word out of place is bit of an understatement it feels like they could've done alot better.

But hey it's understandable.

@SephiVA The Smash Taunts on Corneria and Lylat Cruise were taken from Melee and Brawl completely untouched. It's Alesia Glidewell. Likewise the old recordings of Jim Walker, Dex Manley, Jay Ward etc. are used for the other characters.

They're not on the page because, as mentioned, they're taken straight from Melee/Brawl and already covered on those pages. Including them again would be redundant and confusing.

@SephiVA To answer your question it's alesia glidewell she is also known for voicing samus and knuckles.

Oh i supposed that you are new here.

@SteelEthlan Gosh freaking dang it! I mean't knuckle joe! Argh! I seriously did that again!

Sorry i got mad for a moment.

@NCZ That's one mystery solved at least. I suppose now is a good time as any to reveal that I tried contacting Julie Parker with the email address on this website. http://jmpvoices.com/contact/
I never got a response, and I'm not even sure if that email is still in use, but I tried.

@NCZ Thanks very much for clearing that up; sorry for the animosity before.

Fun fact: Xander Mobus has been taking one-on-one classes from Ginny since he moved to California and is really enjoying working with her.

@Kirbopher The only difference between the Wii U and 3DS credits is the "stage-related" characters, otherwise they're identical (i.e. Fighter, Fighter-Related, Assist, and Pokemon listings are the same)

The extra Star Fox VAs appear to be for the Smash Taunt on Lylat Cruise

The result is that the Wii U has "useless" credits for the Corneria smash taunt and the 3DS has "useless" credits for the Lylat Cruise smash taunt

@Kirbopher I know we still have no way of being sure, but after listening to Viridi's spoken lines in the Wii U game, I have to say her voice sounds an awful lot like Hynden Walch. It wouldn't surprise me if Nintendo was willing to pay her to come back, unlike the other Kid Icarus characters less important to this game.

@Kirbopher The DLC theory isn't without problems. There's the obvious question of, if they planned all this in advance then where's Mewtwo? There's also the much bigger problem of this.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/nintendo-we-have-no-smash-bros-premium-dlc-plans-b/1100-6423752/
If they really have no plans for DLC yet then there's no way they already recorded voice acting far enough in advance to be in the credits of the regular game.

@Nightmare Crusher Or they could just use the patch that after the new voices were recorded they should replace the ones that were currently reused.

That may work right?

@SteelEthlan If they didn't rerecord voices the first time around, I don't think they're going to shell out money, time, and resources to do it in a patch. Logistically speaking it's low-priority and not worth the effort compared to things that have a direct impact on gameplay.

@NCZ Aw good point.

@NCZ And I thought the direction for Palutena's Guidance was off. Mike, Lyssa and Jaz sound really off compared to how they were in 3D. I think Falco is great though.

What I don't like is that this is recreating and referencing a scene from Star Fox: Assault, and they have Lyssa Browne doing Slippy's voice, even though she's supposed to be Slippy when he was 18 during the Lylat Wars. Mike McAuliffe is supposed to be Slippy's voice at age 27, when the Aparoid Invasion takes place.

tl;dr - They got the wrong voice for the time period being depicted.

@Dogman15 The weird thing is that in the Japanese version, all the characters still have their Assault voices. It's only in English that they made the switch to the 64 3D actors.

The even weirder part is that regardless of language, all the characters are based on their Command designs. Oy...

@NCZ I wish Nintendo would care just a little bit more about Star Fox. They did a great job visually with Orbital Gate Assault, and the actors are trying their best, but I can't help but imagine Lyssa was thinking to herself while she recorded "Why did they ask *me* to do this?".

@Dogman15 To be honest, I think you're reading too much into this. I really don't think Lyssa would question why she got the role, especially since she's already played Slippy before, I don't see why she'd have a problem with reprising the role at all. Maybe she wondered why his design looked so different, but that's about all I can see her questioning.

@NCZ
GLORIOUS FANFICTION!!

@Nightmare Crusher Same here i get that Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U is Non-Union for any voice actors so why didn't they bring back any of these voice casts from Kid Icarus Uprising while they brought Antony Del Rio as uncredited is so beyond me.

@SteelEthlan Viridi sounds like Hynden Walch in the guidance videos, though she doesn't seem to be credited either.

@SteelEthlan Eh, the voice acting is really good, and it does recreate the Kid Icarus Uprising dialogue very well, so I'm okay with it. Plus, they did actually use Matthew Mercer for Chrom's appearance in it.

@VGAfanatic Yeah i guess you're right. By the way, have you gotten Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U?

@NCZ Awesome, I don't have to wait until December to get my copy in the mail.

@starfoxwario He might be part of a Smash Taunt in Orbital Gate.

@Cartoonguy133 This, most likely.

When I filled out the page at the Japanese launch last month, I saw Mahito Oba and a few other Star Fox voice actors in the credits (Kyoko Tongu, Tomohisa Aso, Shinobu Satochi, and Tetsu Inada, all listed in the "Fighter Related" group). I had an image of Wolf handy since someone on NeoGAF took a photo of his trophy, so I figured that even though I wasn't sure what specifically his role in the game was (since it had only just come out, naturally), I might as well add him to the page and then come back for the other Star Fox NPCs once they'd been sighted.

He doesn't seem to have dialogue in the 3DS version, alas. But the latest Direct confirmed that there is a Smash Taunt on Orbital Gate with new dialogue (Lyssa Browne is definitely back as Slippy, for instance) so it seems likely that Wolf and the other Star Fox NPCs will show up there.

@DravenRoth994 It's not as disappointing as Dark Pit, that's for sure.

@VGAfanatic Yeah, I'll give you that one!! I would say at least he has a unique final smash, if it wasn't a carbon copy of ZELDAS!!!

@DravenRoth994 Geez!! Not only is Lucina a Marth clone, they share the SAME CUSTOM MOVES!!! I was at least hoping those would be different, but I guess not. :/

@DravenRoth994 Yeah, the stage selection is probably my biggest overall issue with the 3DS version. Kind of underwhelming; there were a lot of missed opportunities for game representation (Mario VS Donkey Kong? Metroid Fusion? Luigi's Mansion 2? Link's Awakening? Grumble grumble...). And as I mentioned before, toooo many Brawl/Melee stages. No new stages for DK, Metroid, Star Fox, or Sonic is a bit of a headscratcher.

The Wii U version though... holy crap! A Donkey Kong Country Returns stage? Mario Kart 8 stage? The Great Cave Offensive from Kirby Super Star? Star Fox Assault, Yoshi's Woolly World, Wrecking Crew!? HNNNNGGGG


And don't even get me started on things like 8-player battle mode... I think I may have to watch the Extravaganza again just to really absorb how amazing the Wii U version will be. Oh man... stuff like this is why I love Smash. Every time you think the excitement is over, things like this and the Mewtwo DLC announcement happen.

@NCZ I agree completely, the stage selection is really disappointing, but the Wii U stages are coming along nicely. Looking forward to it!

@DravenRoth994 Yeah, I'm really impressed with the Stage selections on the Wii-U Version. We have EIGHTEEN Past Stages returning, EIGHTEEN!!! My only complaint there is that I wanted a few more Melee Stages to return, instead we have FOURTEEN Brawl Stages. :-

@CyberLink420 But that brings up the question of why Fox and Slippy's Assault voices aren't credited in Smash 3DS. Also, I'm thinking that Jay Ward might reprise Wolf if he appears in Orbital Gate since Jaz's voice really doesn't fit modern Wolf.

@CyberLink420 It's not really much of an explanation. As NC said, Jim Walker and Mike McAuliffe are absent from the 3DS. Metal Face's Japanese and English voices are from the respective credits even though the other Xenoblade characters' being listed means there's no reason to leave him off. And then this means Yayoi Jinguji would have to be credited on the Wii U despite the absence of Koume and Kotake.

The theory fills some gaps, but it introduces too many new ones. Let's just wait until we actually have access to the Wii U credits before drawing any conclusions.

@NCZ

I accidentally a word there. This should be "Metal Face's Japanese and English voices are missing from the respective credits".

I've seen the Wii U credits due to press people getting copies and uploading videos.

The Wii U credits are seemingly identical to the 3DS version's except for the "stage element" section. Timothy Watson is the only name listed there.

So I guess the theory ended up being partially correct.

@UltimateSSJ4GokouEX If Japanese only, I'm hoping for Masachika Ichimura. But if he's English as well, I think Phillip Bartlett would be a better fit for Smash Brothers.

@Dogman15 Too bad he's dead...

@SpongeBat1 Who, Ichimura? I hope it's not Mr. Bartlett that's dead.

@UltimateSSJ4GokouEX I reckon they should get David Kaye? Why? Because trust me I've heard him countless times that he'll give his materials and personality to other characters we are not familiar with by voicing.

@Dogman15 Too late for that he's already dead not joking.

@SteelEthlan @SpongeBat1 Honestly, the only sources I found on Phillip Bartlett's death are Wikipedia and IMDb, which aren't really reliable sources. I've searched everywhere for more resources a while back, and I couldn't find anything.

I'm not outright saying his death is impossible, but I've always been a little skeptical, especially since I have no clue where Wikipedia got their information for his cause of death.

@Metabad and most of the sources I find nowadays are just directly copy and pasted from the Wikipedia article.

@UltimateSSJ4GokouEX If Phillip Bartlett being dead really is true, or if he's alive but otherwise unavailable, I think either Liam O'Brien or Matthew Yang King would be fantastic voices for Mewtwo.

@Metabad Jay Goede (VA from Pokemon Live) is still alive. He sounds a lot like "Philip Bartlett" too. So there's that...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egHZKYCuqjU

@NCZ
He's a lot like Steve Brodie (so much so I can't think of one without the other). Brodie has two things "Bartlett" doesn't: an agency listing and an obituary.

Given the wiki article, some kind of obituary had to have been sourced, but the main issue is whether Bartlett is his real name. It could very well be that they searched outside NY for Mewtwo's voice, considering they went all the way out to London for Neil Stewart for the next movie.

@rosebr10 Obviously Steve Brodie is Philip Bartlett.

In any case, there is a Find-a-Grave profile for Philip Bartlett, but it seems to have been made using the unsourced "death" info as a reference.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=93730176

Beyond that, there's a lot of info about people named Philip Bartlett in the world, some of them are alive, some of them passed away. Never seen anything to prove they're the dude who voiced Mewtwo.

Has "Philip Bartlett" ever been credited for any other voice roles? I know in the forums, we had someone come along and claim that while NY-based voice actor Dick Rodstein is the same as "Alexander J. Rose" and a few other people, he firmly believed that Rodstein isn't the same as "Philip Bartlett". So now it seems that Mewtwo and a few other misc. Pokemon voices are his only known roles.

Anyway, I know that there's precedent for 4Kids hiring people who aren't typically voice actors for one-offs, particularly villains. In addition to Neil Stewart, there's Peter Cormican, a theatrical actor who (from my understanding) got the part of Erazor Djinn in Sonic and the Secret Rings because he was touring in New York at the time, or something along those lines. Pokemon was so huge during that period that it made sense that a few Broadway actors who don't normally do voice work wanted to get a piece of the action--but I guess not everyone was willing to use their real name for some reason (legal shenanigans? not wanting to be professionally associated with the material for career-related shenanigans?).

I just think it's uncanny how much Broadway actor Jay Goede, who voiced Mewtwo in the Pokemon musical (which featured Andrew Rannells and Darren Dunstan before they started doing stuff for 4Kids), sounds like Mewtwo's voice from the movie...

@NCZ Something else notable is that Pokemon Live had Maddie Blaustein record dialogue for Meowth meaning that 4Kids probably had some involvement in the production. And Pokemon Puzzle League, which seems to have Philip reprising Mewtwo, came out at almost the exact same time as Pokemon Live. Thus they could have had Philip record for Pokemon Live.

@NCZ
I got in touch with the person who added Bartlett onto that site. He got his info specifically from imdb and also stated the following when asked if he had any personal ties with Bartlett, his friends or family:

"I never knew Philip, I just added him onto Find A Grave because I admired his role as Mewtwo."

Commencing aneurysm in 3, 2...
Grrafafsdsfsfssgsfr

(OK I'm back)

If you haven't already, check out Bartlett's page to see an image I took from one of the French films that are also listed on his imdb. I couldn't find anything in that film that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that that "Philip Bartlett" was our "Philip Bartlett," (no deep charismatic voice, I'm afraid) but at least there's a pic of one of at least one Bartlett floating around now.

@UltimateSSJ4GokouEX
Dan Green could come back and voice Mewtwo, right? If the rumors that he's retired from voice acting are false...

@SpongeBat1 Turns he didn't really die.

http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13970

@SteelEthlan He's not actually dead as it turns out.

http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13970

@Shiny Raticate Now that it's been proven that Philip Bartlett is really Jay Goede and is still alive and well, I really hope he comes back. I wasn't too into Dan Green in the role to be honest, although he would be better than Miriam.

@Metabad Wow I did not know that Jay Goede goes by his Alias Phillip Burret i honestly thought he's the actual person until this interview i was pretty wrong.

@SteelEthlan Me neither, I was really surprised too. (In a good way.)

@Metabad Right...

@NCZ It's for both versions too. Once again, HELL YES!!!

@NCZ If they would seriously tweak and change their movesets pattern a little and give Wolf his Final Smash that should be Wolfen in First Person like Samus only with missiles this time and uh other things.

And as for Lucas, well I'm not sure but if it were sakurai and others i might've think his movesets should be changed in some parts.

So what did you think?

@NCZ The strange thing about Wolf is that his actor gets a credit in the 3DS version, and he's a trophy, but we never hear him speak, not even in the Smash Taunt on Corneria. Maybe they have something planned to be added to the 3DS version in the future, or the credits are identical in both games to make it easy, and Wolf *will* be in a Smash Taunt in the Wii U version.

@Nightmare Crusher YES!

Oh my god I'm so happy.

It's a miracle. T_T

@Nightmare Crusher Aw yeah!

@Nightmare Crusher Ah, HELL YES!!!!

@SteelEthlan Finally it's about time!

@CuriousUserX90 *Maybe I Should've Said in time, not Prior.

December is when People can be Busy getting ready for Christmas, and 6/12 is the Date of Iwata's Birthday.

@Nightmare Crusher Me right now:

http://i.imgur.com/IBkl1Yn.jpg

@CuriousUserX90 What I'm saying is, it's not Fair that the PAL Regions don't get the Wii U Version same week as North America, or for Amiibo to release beforehand. I'm Petitioning it to Change: https://www.change.org/p/nintendo-of-europe-release-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u-the-same-week-as-north-america-in-europe-and-oceania
:PAL Gamers, feel free to sign it (this is serious, I have some signers already). SEGA listened to people's desire to change the Release Date for Sonic Boom: RL to the same day as SC, so Nintendo should too.

@CuriousUserX90 I hate to burst your bubble, but to put it bluntly, that petition's not going anywhere.

First off, North America is actually the only region that's getting Smash U (Wii Will Smash U?) in late November rather than early December. The reason for this is Black Friday, the biggest and busiest shopping day of the year. Nintendo want to sell Smash Bros games, they want to sell amiibos, and most importantly, they want to sell Wii Us. So it's absolutely critical for them that Smash Bros. is available in North America in time for Black Friday.

Black Friday doesn't exist in other regions, so there Ninty are free to release it whenever they want. Nintendo know what they're doing. They've chosen the release dates deliberately and strategically in order to ensure maximum profit. They do so by spacing the release date strategically to capitalize on the holiday shopping season, and have it in an empty window free of competition. Compared to November, which is jam-packed with new releases, December is a very quiet month. So that means that in PAL regions and Japan, Smash Bros. is guaranteed to be "the hottest game on the shelf" in time for the all-important Christmas shopping season. Nintendo know what they're doing. There's a reason behind every release date, and a team full of experienced market analysts to provide that reason.

Also, the petition needs... 90 signatures. In the grand scheme of things, that's not a lot to make a big, multibillion company like Nintendo take it too seriously. Getting 100,000 might make them notice, but that's unlikely.

Finally... the difference is two weeks. Two weeks. Brawl came out in PAL five months after Japan. Shin Megami Tensei IV released last year in NA and Japan and is only just now being released in PAL after a year of silence. Back in the '90s several all-time classic games like Final Fantasy VI and Chrono Trigger never even reached Europe at all, and due to technologically-related quirks the games that did reach PAL were much slower due to running in 50 HZ rather than 60 HZ. Hell, Australia is actually getting the New 3DS model before North America and Europe are! Two weeks is an absolutely trivial amount of time and you should be thankful the wait isn't staggered any more than that. If it's that big a deal, import a Wii U from NA.

And on your last bit, Sega's decision to bump up the Wii U Sonic Boom game had nothing to do with fan demand. It was to avoid competition with a number of other games that were coming out within the same timeframe. Its original release date, November 18th, was the same date as the hugely-anticipated Dragon Age 3, the PS4 and Xbone versions of GTAV, LittleBigPlanet 3, and Far Cry 4. Sega moved it up to reduce the risk of the game's sales getting massacred and allow it some breathing room.

Smash Bros. will sell regardless of when it comes out because it's a highly-anticipated AAA title that can hold its own against its fellow heavy-hitters. You just have to realize that not all markets are always the same, so Nintendo can and will have to determine release dates on a market-to-market basis, recognizing trends and patterns and using them to determine when is the most effective time to release a game. It just so happens that one market needs the game out a bit sooner. That's it.

@Dustinman2012 There's a very good chance that he'll show up for the special taunts on Orbital Gate in the Wii U version. I suspect that this is also why Jay Ward is credited in the English version.

@Dustinman2012 Wolf isn't playable but he has an NPC role. The following VAs are listed in the Japanese credits with the Fighter-Related NPCs:

Tomohisa Aso
Tetsu Inada
Mahito Oba
Shinobu Satochi
Kyoko Tongu

And these VAs are listed in the corresponding section of the English version:
Jaz Adams
Lyssa Browne
Dex Manley
Jay Ward

All of them have roles in Star Fox (Peppy, Slippy, Wolf, Leon, Panther).

So while it doesn't seem to have been discovered on 3DS yet... several Star Fox characters have voice actors listed in the credits. As NC said, they're most likely going to continue the Smash Taunt tradition for Fox and Falco on the new Star Fox Wii U stage.

@Dustinman2012 The answer is let's just say star wolf are probably fighting the a parodies in the background like it was in Lylat Cruise in Brawl.

And i'm pretty sure it hints that he would get a voice actor English and either Jay Ward or Jaz Adams would be back to reprise wolf and maybe he'll be DLC if his moveset should be exactly as it should be in brawl but tweak his running speed as the opposite arms and opposite legs kinda thing with the combination of wolf and human i don't know.

Maybe he should have the bayonet blaster on his left hand rather than right, an up b that consists on the claw and then ends with a kick kinda like pikachu's and greninja's only with more power, faster combo and some damage with lightning effects that it could be called lighting wolf (My made up special b name that could be really different from that if Fox's Fire Fox and Falco's "I'll get that ability listed later") and then have his final smash an Wolfen in first person to shoot a laser missile that not only hits opponents but also when contacting on ground it explodes and how long it would last taking notes on his version of the landmaster it would last shorter than fox's and falco's landmaster (Who's final smash needs to get changed minor differences don't help either).

Sorry if i jotted down the sentences long enough that's just what i'm getting at.

@NCZ What about Krystal? She can be both background and playable.

@SteelEthlan My personal belief is that Krystal will be playable the day Ridley is. Take that as you will.

@NCZ Oh ok i was just sure she is going to be playable and at the same time be contacted through the codec-like structure.

@SteelEthlan I think Krystal will probably be part of the codec because the new stage is based on Assault.

As for being playable... I feel like that ship's sailed, honestly. Adding her in Brawl would've made perfect sense--all three Star Fox games released between Melee and Brawl (Adventures, Assault, and Command) had her extremely prominently as one of the main characters. In a way you could say she was in the same spot as a character like Rosalina is now, being very popular and clearly being pushed heavily. But then she wasn't added to Brawl--Wolf was instead. And in the six years between Brawl and Smash 4, the only new Star Fox game was a remake of 64 where she was naturally AWOL. So the Star Fox series, and Krystal too, took a pretty big hit in popularity--it's pretty telling that this is the first Smash game where it didn't receive any new characters, instead having a net loss of 1.

So in that time, both Krystal's popularity and her position as a major character within a major series, have faded pretty noticeably. Unless Krystal and Star Fox experience a resurgence in popularity between now and Smash 5 (which it might if the new game A. has her in it and B. is successful), I don't think she'll make it into the series anytime soon.

@NCZ Ok that's where i'm getting at.

Well that literally sucks and i mean i know they didn't have enough time to make an original character with original moveset based on perspective games but i honestly think that they could've done more by adding new character for the semi-final time before they would add extras and better yet they could've adjustify lucina as a semi-clone and having a different final smash that could be a cinematic-esque and then end with a shining slash kinda attack.

And if they do want to make a new game for krystal i better hope they make a related game that it would be not star fox related i'm not sure how they would pull it off but it's just my suggestions.

Sorry for getting off topic that's just my suggestions.

@ConfusedPhantom I actually really like Mark Lund's Falco. Agreed that the number of reused sound clips is disappointing though, and that Xander Mobus made for a pretty impressive announcer.

Can't help but wonder if when Smash 5 rolls around in 2020 (?), Marth and Falcon will still be using those Melee clips, haha.

@HyperVoiceActing I have to say, not having Kenny James makes no sense to me considering Bowser Jr. and the Koopalings do have their proper voices. Same for DK and Diddy.

@NCZ - Really, cause from what I heard it sounds like they recycled DK and Diddy's Brawl clips

@HyperVoiceActing That's actually what I meant; now that I read it again, I realize that I worded it poorly. DK and Diddy are in the same boat as Bowser of not having their proper voices for some reason.

@NCZ - Oh I see. Sorry for misreading your statement. But I agree.

@HyperVoiceActing Same here and i honestly would've liked to hear some of these characters that never had a proper voice since their own past games:

#1: Donkey Kong (DK) newly voiced by: Dee Bradley Baker

#1.5: Donkey Kong (DK) normally voiced by: Takashi Nagasako

#2: Diddy Kong (DD) newly voiced by: Chris Sanders

#2.5: Diddy Kong (DD) normally voiced By: Katsumi Suzuki

And these old and new lines for Sonic in Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U that should've been picked up and then have Roger Craig Smith read and record this lines i gotten a single thought of:

Line #1: Come on step it up!

Line #2: You're too slow!

Line #3: Now i'll show you super sonic power! Hrrraaahhhh!

And others that i may think that speak for itself.

Maybe once the Wii U version is done they should really consider thinking about patch updates and DLC for not just characters but stages and voices themselves if done carefully like they did with Mario Kart 8 and Hyrule Warriors.

@SteelEthlan Oh and one more thing about little mac's voice actor:

#3: Little Mac voiced by: Matt Harty.

That too is a missed opportunity.

@SteelEthlan And his last name i forgot to add up is Nagasako.

@Mikel also Japan, some character aren't dubbed over.

@NCZ probably because the game is non SAG AFTRA union.

@Toki That's what I want to think (the replacement of the other Kid Icarus VAs with non-union actors is a big red flag), but Laura Bailey is listed, and as of late she always goes uncredited or under a pseudonym when working non-union...

@NCZ It has to be him, because it don't think any other actor listed in the credits could do a flawless impersonation of his pit. Since he probably loved playing pit in uprising (based on interviews with him) he was probably willing to take a pay cut, an go uncredited. This is just a theory though.

@Toki I'm not saying it isn't him--because let's face it, it blatantly is--it's just a really weird situation. There's too much unknown to say one way or another whether this is unionized or not.

@NCZ That pastebin link's expired; got another link to where the full thing is listed?

@Kirbopher Yes, I copied it into a text file:

Jason Adkins
Laura Bailey
Frédéric Clou
Jean-Marc Delhausse
Virginie Demians
Jean Faure
Alexandre Gillet
Steven Heinke
Christophe Hespel
Adam Howden
Corinne Kempa
Brandy Kopp
Lauren Landa
Rachael Lillis
Carlos Lobo
Jonathan López
Mark Lund
Eric Newsome
Sean Schemmel
Roger Craig Smith
Billy Thompson
David Vincent
Mike West

Jaz Adams
Lyssa Browne
Ben Cullum
Wayne Forester
Riley Inge
Rufus Jones
Steve Malpass
Matt Mercer
Chris Seavor
Jay Ward

Manel Gimeno
Stephanie Komure
Benoît Du Pac
Patrick Seitz
Kirk Thornton

Julie Basecqz
Delphine Chauvier
Thibaut Delmotte
Michael Haigney
Michel Hinderyckx
Michele Knotz
Michael Liscio
Fabienne Loriaux
Suzy Meyers
Lisa Ortiz
Haven Paschall
Jamie Peacock
Erica Schroeder
Eileen Stevens
Marc Thompson
Jean-Michel Vovk
Tom Wayland
Scott Williams

Julie Parker
Ángel Moreno Colmena
Isabella Arevalo
Horacio Mancilla
October Moore

@NCZ If this is the case, then this may end up being the first time Antony Del Rio has done voice work for something that's non-union. Either that, or something else.

I'm not sure why, but I feel that the credits list may be different on Wii U depending on the characters listed, so perhaps we may see his name by then?

@CuriousUserX90 Well, Alesia Glidewell is Zero Suit Samus in Smash 4, Akira Sasanuma is Link, Jun Mizusawa is Zelda, Bowser has no voice, and yes, Antony Del Rio is Pit now and Roger Craig Smith is Sonic. Yes, Pokemon is not done by 4kids actors anymore, however, they DID manage to get Sean Schemmel to reprise Lucario again from the Pokemon movie, Lucario and the Mystery of Mew and that was done by 4kids at the time.

@CuriousUserX90 Kenny James,Takeshi Ohara,Yu Shimomura,and Jessica Martin are not listed in the credits while the ones listed on the page are in the Japanese credits or confirmed to be in the English version.

@Toki The Credits only list the Cast of Characters (Playable or not), not the staff and cast of the game when you beat modes like Classic Mode.

@Jessica Marra Sasanuma did not voice Link in Skyward Sword, Glidewell did not voice Samus in Metroid Other M (asked her on Twitter if she's recorded any lines for SSB4 https://twitter.com/CuriousUserX90/status/512883098350936064) and Bowser, and his children do all has always had a voice. Bowser has been voiced by Kenny James since 2007. When will you believe me about this?

@Toki Did I or anyone else expect the characters to sound completely the same as in Brawl? Nope. Did I or anyone else expect the characters to have voice clips that weren't already heard in Brawl in SSB4? Yep.

@CuriousUserX90 No one will believe you because you are dead wrong! We have credits already. There is no Kenny James, no Jessica Martin, and no Takashi Ohara. What do you not understand about this?

@CuriousUserX90

"This is the last time I'm saying this: The game is not even out, and the credits does not show you who voices who, just a character roll call."

You do realize that the game has been out in Japan for over a week and that more than a million people have their hands on it?

"The Credits only list the Cast of Characters (Playable or not), not the staff and cast of the game when you beat modes like Classic Mode."

This is completely false. Watch this stream of the game, beginning from the 4:04:30 mark.

www.twitch.tv/yushako/b/567474491

Do you see what comes up after Classic Mode is beaten? A complete ending credit scroll, including a list of the voice actors. None of the VAs you mention are credited. Akira Sasanuma, Alesia Glidewell, et al ARE.

"Did I or anyone else expect the characters to sound completely the same as in Brawl? Nope. Did I or anyone else expect the characters to have voice clips that weren't already heard in Brawl in SSB4? Yep."

This isn't evidence, this is an assumption. An unfounded one too considering that the final version of the game, as proven by the eShop demo, NoA Treehouse stream, and players of the Japanese version, shows that many of the characters are reusing Melee/Brawl voices.

Do some research instead of simply assuming things are wrong.

@Nightmare Crusher Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, I don't care if I'm jumping happily like Twilight Sparkle, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, YYYYYYEEEESSSSSS!!! XD

@Nightmare Crusher Seriously? This could only mean that it's going to be released in 2 months like nothing else.

@CuriousUserX90 No, he isn't. It's recycled clips of Akira Sasanuma, the Twilight Princess!Link actor.

@Kirbopher Link was not voiced by that person in any recent games and...

Wait. You're username, sounds awfully familiar to the youtuber doing the DYK Voice Acting Videos. Been some time.

@CuriousUserX90 No he's not you still realize that he is still voiced by Akira Sasanuma?

@CuriousUserX90 Have you read the credits or played the game? Your information is false.

@CuriousUserX90 They may be the voices in the games, but you should either listen to the voices or read the credits. They're recycling the voice overs from Brawl for Link and Samus, and Bowser is still played by roaring sound effects.

@CuriousUserX90 If there's any contact details for Alesia Glidewell, I'll probably ask her if she's done any voice over for Super Smash Bros. 4.

@VGAfanatic Kenny James has voiced Bowser since Super Mario Galaxy in 2007, and still is now.

@CuriousUserX90 Seriously, did you even read the credits? None of the actors you claim to be in this game were credited. NONE!

@VGAfanatic This is the last time I'm saying this: The game is not even out, and the credits does not show you who voices who, just a character roll call.

@Jessica Marra Oh boy this i cannot wait to see.

@Bauglir100 They can think of plenty subtitles, they just don't WANT to.

@Nightmare Crusher Which is totally stupid and makes Nintendo look lazy. You just don't subtitle sequels and then STOP subtitling them. It's just wrong!

@Bauglir100 Eh, I don't think it's a big deal at all.

@Nightmare Crusher Well, they could've at least called it "Super Smash Bros. 4" or something like that.

Just calling it "Super Smash Bros." makes this game seem like either a port/remake of the original game or a complete reboot of the series. And by the looks of things, it's neither, so WTF.

@Bauglir100 It is called Super Smash Brothers FOR 3DS/Wii U. Emphasis on the for. You see what I mean?

@Nightmare Crusher I doubt the for/four pun is intentional.

@Bauglir100

Let me put it this way.

To most observers, this is the first Smash Bros. game to be on multiple consoles. However, from the developers' perspective, the 3DS and Wii U versions are in fact two separate games. Although the character roster, physics, and core gameplay are identical, the stages, game modes, music, and much else is very different and makes them into unique experiences. It's not like how Playstation All-Stars was identical whether you were playing on Vita or PS3, making the other version redundant. Each system's incarnation of Smash has its own unique identity.

If both the 3DS and Wii U games had the same subtitle, casual buyers would assume they're identical. And especially since the 3DS version is coming out firs,t people will think, "Well, why should I get it for Wii U when they're the same game?"

By calling them "Super Smash Bros. for 3DS" and "Super Smash Bros. for Wii U", consumers know that these are separate Smash Bros. experiences designed specifically for the 3DS and Wii U. It reinforces that they are not just two versions of one game, but two halves of one cohesive experience. If someone who only has it on 3DS sees "Super Smash Bros. 4", they think, "Don't I have that already?" If they see "Super Smash Bros. for Wii U", they think, "Sweet, a new Smash Bros for Wii U!"


And come on, let's address the elephant in the room here, anything that leads to more Wii Us being sold in an extremely competitive holiday season can't be a bad thing for Nintendo.

@NCZ Then they should've given them each their own subtitle and put more effort into making them distinct from each other.

@Bauglir100 Super Smash Bros. Dimensions and Super Smash Bros. Universe (stealing from someone else's idea on Reddit or somewhere.)

@Dogman15 Redundancy.

@Kirbopher Jaz Adams and Lyssa Browne are probably for something Star Fox related. Maybe Jay Ward as well. Is there anywhere that the Star Fox characters have dialogue outside of Corneria?

@Kirbopher Those credits seem incomplete. Were all the characters unlocked in that playthrough? Many of the playable characters who don't have VAs listed (Dark Pit, Koopalings, Falco, and Lucina) are unlockables. The Japanese credits had blank spaces for VAs who voiced hidden characters (e.g. Mika Kanai and the Koopaling voices didn't show up until the end). Exceptions are VAs who also voiced NPCs in addition to hidden characters (Hisao Egawa and Hironori Miyata were visible from the beginning).

To reduce margin for error I'd like to ensure that we can get our hands on a listing that is 100% complete (although with that listing, I have figured out a fair few matchups).

@Nightmare Crusher I can't confirm it, but I'm assuming they're part of a Smash Taunt. Star Fox NPCs had their voices listed in the Japanese credits too (Tomohisa Aso, Kyoko Tongu, Mahito Oba, Shinobu Satochi, and Tetsu Inada).

Quick analysis:

- Dex Manley is listed with the NPCs and not the playables. To wit, "That ain't Falco."

- Tomokazu Sugita, Hisao Egawa, and Yu Kobayashi being bumped down from their groups in the Japanese credits confirms that they voice the straggler assist trophies who were left undubbed.

- Some of the Pokemon are in a similar boat.

- Hynden Walch isn't listed. Anyone know if she has dialogue on the 3DS? She had a line in Palutena's trailer. Two possibilities here. A) She only speaks on the Wii U version. B) Viridi appears in the Reset Bomb Forest stage. Julie Parker is listed at the very end with Yayoi Jinguji, who also voices stage hazard characters. Therefore, it's possibly that she's Viridi.

- On a related note, Kari Wahlgren's absence means Phosphora probably has a new VA (shot in the dark--Stephanie Komure)

- If that's true, Antony Del Rio is the only VA from Uprising to return.

- The Wii Fit Trainers, Pokemon (the ones who have different names in various languages), announcer, and Sonic crew are dubbed into other languages.

- Carlos Lobo is the odd man out. Looking him up, he seems to be a German voice actor. No credits in Nintendo games either. Is there a German option? If so he's probably the announcer.


With that said, as I said above, nothing is official until we have access to a credit scroll that can be verified to be totally complete.

@Kirbopher R u sure it's Lauren Landa who's voicing female Robin? Cause I had a huge feeling it would be Michelle Ruff. It even sounded like her in the trailer of Lucina and the Robins.

(Sigh) I guess Mike West IS Fox in this game meaning Jim Walker is gone. That disappoints me. I guess Falco will have ST64 voice too. I guess Little Mac will still have a Japanese voice like Link and Marth. Please comment back if this clear or not. Thanks for your helpful info.

@NCZ Did Antony officially confirm anywhere that he came back for Pit? I know it should be obvious, but the fact that his name isn't in the credits is what perplexes me. Magnus was played by Patrick Seitz matching Fred Tatasciore, so it's possible Phosphora's been matched by someone else.

Also, that theory about the blank spaces lines up, but then why is Lani Minella not listed since she's Lyn as an assist trophy? Rachael was listed in the playable characters area already, probably because of Goldeen, but Jigglypuff wasn't unlocked yet on the credits that were being scrolled through. Falco wasn't unlocked yet either, so maybe Mark Lund plays him in English and his name will pop up?

I reached out to a couple of these folks to ask who they recorded for. I'll update if I find anything.

@Jessica Marra Michelle Ruff and Wendee Lee are not credited in the game, so it's neither of them. Lauren is in the playable character credits and it's the only one that lines up; I did reach out to her to confirm 100% though. Kousuke Toriumi is also listed in the playable character credits and people are saying he's Little Mac, but we're not 100% sure about that one either.

@Kirbopher I don't think Antony Del Rio officially confirmed it. With that said he once said on twitter (he deleted his account at some point this year) that he couldn't talk about Smash, but that it would be "hamazing". I don't know why he's not listed though. If he's not there when Dark Pit is unlocked, something is really up. Minami Takayama's there from the beginning in Japanese too.

Mike West and Jaz Adams being listed would imply they wanted to go with 64 3D voices for the Star Fox crew, so Mark Lund being Falco makes sense.

Lani Minella's absence at this point I'm not fully sure on but could possibly a slipup on the part of the localization team. She doesn't voice Lyn in Japanese and as such is hidden with the playables there. There aren't any other VAs who voice both a hidden playable and a default AT and weren't dubbed over in their main role (which would require them to be bumped down or subbed out), so maybe her name just got lost in the shuffle. Literally. She'll probably show up after a Koopaling unlock.

@NCZ Also, by the way - the Treehouse just confirmed that Nate Bihldorff of NoA voices Dr. Wright. If that's one that went unconfirmed previously, there's that.

@Kirbopher In the Japanese credits, there's nobody left for Kosuke Toriumi to be, plus he's there from the beginning while Mac is a default, so process of elimination determines that it's him. The fact that he's still included in the English version indicates that he wasn't dubbed over.

@Kirbopher So Lauren Landa IS the female Robin. Okay, and it is true Mike West and Mark Lund will be Falco. And it's still unsure if Little Mac will have an English VA. Please comment back when you can and thanks again.

@Jessica Marra : Dang. I hope jim walker would return. I guess I can deal with this. When I get this game, I'm playing the japanesse version. At least Fox is in nonetheless. Dang it nintendo. Why do this to smash?! I'm just glad to play Fox thats all.

@NCZ do you think it's a union issue? I think Laura Bailey went uncredited in Awakening for that reason.

@Toki I can't say for sure until we have a complete credit list. If the credits have Antony Del Rio and Laura Bailey totally uncredited even after all characters are unlocked (i.e. including Dark Pit and Lucina) that's a big red flag. The lack of returning Kid Icarus VAs (who are all union members) is also interesting.

@Kirbopher Horacio Mancilla and Isabella Arevalo appeared in the Latin American dub of Wii Fit U.

@RykoMD Oh okay, perfect! That would make them the Spanish voices of the Wii Fit trainers, then. Thank you!

@NCZ I reached out to Carlos Lobo to ask which character he portrayed in Smash Bros...

"Hi there,


thank you for your interest in Nintendo´s Super Smash Bros
Carlos Lobo is the Character of NOA

best"

...whelp.

@Kirbopher Well, that's... nice. On a more helpful note, Corinne Kempa is the French Wii Fit Trainer. Cross-checking Wii Fit and this game's credits, I can't find a match for the male trainer though. Unless my eyes are really bad.

@NCZ Got it, so then...

Isabella Arevalo - Female WFT [Spanish]
Jean-Marc Delhausse - ?
Virginie Demians - ?
Jean Faure - ?
Christophe Hespel - ?
Corinne Kempa - Female WFT [French]
Carlos Lobo - ?
Horacio Mancilla - Male WFT [Spanish]

So Jean-Marc Delhausse and Christophe Hespel have both worked on the French dub of Pokemon, so my guess is that they may be the French voices of Lucario and Greninja. By process of elimination, my guess is that Jean Faure is the French voice of the male Wii Fit Trainer. Carlos Lobo and Virginie Demians are the two headscratchers...

@NCZ Also by the way, while I know these aren't 100% complete credits, they DO still confirm a bunch of people who aren't listed on the page yet. Can they be added or do you need actual screenshots of the credits?

@NCZ Wasn't Brawl a unionized game by any chance? or was it more of a "special permission" game when it comes to the voice acting?

@NCZ In the case of Antony Del Rio I'm thinking that maybe he isn't credited because he went off union for this. It might explain why he said he couldn't talk about the game when Sean Schemmel was able to openly say he was Lucario.

@Kirbopher Does anyone know who Falco's English voice actor is yet??? I'm hoping it's Dex Manley but I'm losing hope about that. It could be either Mark Lund or Bill Johns. Does ANYONE have a clue???

@Kirbopher Some screenshots would be nice. But yeah, I'm going to wait until we have a complete listing before I declare anything to be official. Not that I don't appreciate your efforts.

@Mikel Brawl was union due to the presence of the Metal Gear Solid voice actors.

@Nightmare Crusher That is a possibility. Although, it is worth noting that Antony Del Rio's comment was made before the game was even officially revealed at E3, so who knows if he'd even actually recorded anything at the time. Worth noting is that the Xenoblade VAs are part of Equity, the UK acting union, and Sean Schemmel is also part of SAG-AFTRA. I'd like to wait until the credits are complete before really getting this figured out.

@Jessica Marra It's not Dex Manley because he's not listed with the playable characters' voice actors.

@NCZ I wasn't sure when Antony Del Rio made that comment, but if it was that early then he very well could have been under an NDA. As for Adam Howden I don't know how Equity operates or how it compares to SAG-AFTRA and I can't comment. I suspect that Sean Schemmel is fi-core given his continued work as Goku and I'm pretty sure the Pokemon are handled by TPCI and I don't think they're union. I could be wrong on that, feel free to correct me. I guess we won't know until October.

@Kirbopher Wait, Sean Schemmel came back to voice Lucario?

@Shiny Raticate We've known this since he tweeted about it in May.

@Nightmare Crusher I don't have a Twitter, so... I'm only just hearing this now.

But I'm liking what I'm hearing.

@NCZ Just confirmed with a friend who's got an advance English copy of the game after unlocking Falco, that he's played by Mark Lund.

@Kirbopher You would know about this because I've seen your Did You Know Voice Acting series, so I know you take the time to study this stuff in order to make it official. So, I'm taking your word for the official credits, including Lauren Landa as Robin.

@Kirbopher Good to know. If you don't mind me asking, how does he have a copy this early? Some kind of industry connection?

@Kirbopher Wait a minute are you the actual kirbopher the one you created TOME series, Did You Know Voice Acting, Parody Rangers, Kirblog & Nin10doh to the 64th power?

I'm just asking.

@Ultimate Fox I'm pretty sure that Fox is Mike West. No idea on the other two.

@Nightmare Crusher Hope not. not that I hate him. his voice isn't really good or in this case fitting in this game. he was good in 64 and decent in 3ds, but smash: NO! Now if this was jim walker; hell yea. but we won' t til the english version comes out. I'll still play the game but I won't be too found of his voice acting. I'll still respect jim and mike nontheless as my all-time favorite voice actors for Fox. At least brawl fox japan voice actor has return so that's some delight. a cool one too.

@Nightmare Crusher YES! Thank God, cause I think Jason Adkins and Eric Newsome were great as Ike and Meta Knight! I don't care if Marth still speaks Japanese. It honestly suits him and I can understand some things he says.

I have no clue who voices the Wii Fit Trainers, does anyone know?

I'm very worried about Fox's voice in this game. Jim Walker was perfect and I can't figure out why they would change him here. I mean, Fox's Japanese VA, Kenji Nojima voiced Fox in Assault, Brawl, and this game. It's unfair that Jim would get the boot and be replaced.

I fear that Falco will meet the same fate and that concerns me dearly. I'm praying this isn't true cause that'll probably make me depressed. :'(

@MechaKnucklesA3 Technically, the Spirit Tracks and Skyward Sword versions of Link aren't the same as the ones from Wind Waker and Skyward Sword, so it made sense for them to keep the same voices.

I'm guessing they kept the Twilight Princess versions of the Zelda crew because Ganondorf and Sheik weren't in Skyward Sword, so there's nothing for them to draw from there. I know that there's Hyrule Warriors, but that's a spin-off and it began development after SSB4 was already in progress.

@Jessica Marra I am so so glad that Alesia Glidewell would voice samus again i called it sorry Jennifer Hale fans she won't do samus in smash bros here.

@DravenRoth994 Oh, that character is on here all right...

(If anyone is reading this and doesn't know who that character is, don't get your hopes up.)

@NCZ Well, in a matter of speaking, he/she is, and I was certainly not expecting him/her to be back (Like he said, don't get your hopes up TOO much).

Why are we being secret about him? Everyone else is here.

@DravenRoth994 Now all gamer can live out their childhood dreams of punching that dog in the face for mocking you when you missed the ducks.

@Nightmare Crusher Secret about his name I mean. I'm fully aware of why he doesn't have a character entry.

@Nightmare Crusher I guess I just didn't want to spoil it for people who don't already know. Oh, I see, he is just an alternate costume?

@GothamRed I was thinking of writing that myself. I don't know if I've played Duck Hunt though.

@Nightmare Crusher Yeah who ever wanted Chorus Kids to be playable can now be denied.

@Is there anywhere others can see them too? I'm rather curious.

@Nightmare Crusher I can PM them to you if you want.

@NCZ That would be fantastic.

@NCZ I would love to see them too, since I am really curious on the game's voice cast at this moment as well. :)

@NCZ Please PM them to me too cause I'm dying to know as well! I don't care if it's just the Japanese cast, I wanna know who voices who!

What the hey, I'll post them publicly for reference.

Transcribed from the ending of this stream (about 4 hours, 4 minutes in):
http://www.twitch.tv/yushako/b/567474491

Shintaro Asanuma
Dan Falcone
Hisao Egawa
Alesia Glidewell
Michihiko Hagi
Tomoyuki Higuchi
Hitomi Hirose
Aya Hisakawa
Ryo Horikawa
Yoshimasa Hosoya
Mika Kanai
Kerry Kane
Junichi Kanemaru
Sam Kelly
Atsushi Kisaichi
Yu Kobayashi
Charles Martinet
Sachi Matsumoto
Hikaru Midorikawa
Shinichiro Miki
Lani Minella
Hironori Miyata
Jun Mizusawa
Xander Mobus
Daisuke Namikawa
Kenji Nojima
Makiko Omoto
Ikue Otani
Caety Sagoian
Akira Sasanuma
Miyuki Sawashiro
Minami Takayama
Yuya Takazawa
Kosuke Toriumi
Yuji Ueda
Mike Vaughn

Tomohisa Aso
Teiyu Ichiryusai
Tetsu Inada
Yuki Kaida
Tsuyoshi Koyama
Mahito Oba
Shinobu Satochi
Tomokazu Sugita
Kyoko Tongu

Anri Katsu
Yuka Komatsu
Akiko Komoto
Taro Kudo
Dex Manley
Kenji Nomura
Akio Otsuka
Koji Yusa

Masashi Ebara
Megumi Hayashibara
Mayumi Iizuka
Unsho Ishizuka
Tomoko Kawakami
Katsuyuki Konishi
Satomi Korogi
Kenta Miyake
Hitomi Nabatame
Megumi Sato
Yuka Terasaki
Koichi Yamadera

Yayoi Jinguji

@Swiftie Muggle First off... this comment is rather rude and not really the best way to go about communicating with people. When you're on the internet, a general rule of thumb is that nobody checks it 24/7. People are often busy taking care of other things in real life and therefore unable to respond to absolutely everything immediately, but at the very least, here I do make a point to respond to things as soon as I humanly can. A bit of kindness, politeness, and patience goes a long way. Please remember this for the future.

At any rate, the comments are intended to be a discussion page. We have dedicated request centres in the forums, and that is where you go to request for new information to be added. We don't allow these types of posts to be made in the comments because of this.

As one final note... I have actually seen that email because I check Smash forums pretty frequently, but I decided not to update the page. At this point, we're so close to release that it's much more convenient and simple for me to complete everything in one fell swoop when the inevitable deluge of information pours in, rather than add everything slowly as info trickles out.

lol

@NCZ Mr NDZ I'm sorry if you took my comment the wrong way. I truly am. That being said , KERRI KANE IS LISTED AS ROSALINA'S VOICE not Laura Faye, , i posted the credits in Smahsboards as proof ; so you might know when updating the info .

Thanks For reading ♥ Bye

@Swiftie Muggle Apology accepted. I have seen (and largely deciphered) the credits already, though.

@Nightmare Crusher MIND EXPLODES!!!!

@Nightmare Crusher Okay, I'm alright now. I just got so excited right there. Soon now, we'll see probably all the Japanese cast and some of the English because obviously Charles Martinet will be Mario and Luigi while Samantha Kelly will be Peach in both languages. I'm just anxious about the rest! XD

@Nightmare Crusher That pic's a false alarm.

This one isn't.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=129424001&postcount=4455

@Nightmare Crusher I just don't know what to say about that...

@Nightmare Crusher Part of me thinks that's actually a pretty cool idea, but another part of me feels like his voice would be a little TOO deep for Ridley.

@Nightmare Crusher Say what?

@Nightmare Crusher I believe that's actually a commercial. There's a demo event going out in Japan and there's some pretty exciting news coming out of it. No new characters yet though (well... there is one character who is a modelswap for someone else, but that's a surprise you can look up for yourself).

@NCZ I just found out about that and was going to post a comment. I'm prety surprised that they turned [redacted] into a costume for [redacted]. Although there are some very exciting sounding costumes besides that. Link apparently got the Fierce Deity.

@Nightmare Crusher Actually, I think the [REDACTED] thing may be a misinterpretation. [REDACTED] had a similar-themed palette in Brawl, so it's probably just that they brought it back.

There is a possibility that the player actually saw Link's already-confirmed Skyward alt and mistook it for the Fierce Deity, but if FD Link really is in that would be amazing and I want it to be real.

I'm still holding out for Mr. L (Luigi), Dry Bowser, and I'm really hoping that the statement of Galacta Knight being a Meta Knight alt is true. Maybe PoR Ike too, but I can live without it; I just can't get enough of his Radiant Dawn look.

@Nightmare Crusher

Disregard that middle bit. Fierce Deity Link IS IN!!

@NCZ I suppose it is possible that [REDACTED] isn't really a costume. We'll have to wait and see if others back that claim up. Fierce Deity being confirmed makes me think it might be true.

@NCZ The person giving out info has backed up the [REDACTED] costume. Also said that Bowser has a "No Bones" costume which might be a clumsy way of saying Dry Bowser.

@Nightmare Crusher I'm so happy about Dry Bowser.

As for the [REDACTED] costume--the description actually matches one of the character's palettes in Brawl very well. Feel free to check for yourself. I'm fairly certain it's just an alternate colour scheme, and they haven't demoted that character to being a modelswap.

@NCZ Sorry, but apparently the Dry Bowser thing may have been a mistake. I'm not entirely sure. It's a shame too. Dry Bowser is awesome. As for the [REDACTED] costume it does have some similarities to that one palette swap, but the original was brown with a red accessory while [REDACTED] is apparently gray with a purple accessory. It is a palette swap so I guess that rumor is still dead. Something interesting I've also heard is that Mac has SIXTEEN costumes. Eight normal ones and then eight wireframe versions of them.

@NCZ And now a picture of the [REDACTED] outfit has surfaced and I don't think the resemblance is nearly as strong as people have set. You can see it for yourself if you want to.
http://i.imgur.com/mEwelO9.jpg

As a bonus, here's Fierce Diety Link and Olimar's costume.
http://i.imgur.com/u4XkvnM.jpg

@Nightmare Crusher *Deity

@Nightmare Crusher Ooh, that does look like him. On the other hand, Mario having Wario colours in Brawl didn't stop Wario himself.

Fierce Deity Link looks SICK.

@NCZ I know what costume I'm going to be using for Link all the time.

@Nightmare Crusher They weren't going to say a single name of we-know-who when sakurai talks about the boss in other appearence last time in april nintendo direct and also this might imply that ridley might appear outside of this.

Or because of this joke "Ridley is too big" which in my opinion is so oversaid and old.

But it's just my topic.

@Nightmare Crusher OH, YEAH! I'm SO fired up! I'm gonna call Ness, Ganondorf, Mr. Game and Watch, Falco, and Jigglypuff will be announced to finish the roster. I may be wrong, but this is my call. XD

@Nightmare Crusher I CAN HARDLY WAIT!

@Nightmare Crusher This time my call for these characters i officially and personally wanted to be in smash bros wii u/3ds if possible:

Falco (He needs a new moveset but tweak him to be aerial based with a new finishing move that makes him doing a down forward left kick instead of right, a new up special that is wind based rather than fire, and new side special that he can reach higher than fox but not as high as wolf which it could be pretty effective and it should be indigo instead along with the reflector and "Wind Falco" technique don't ask why i made this up you know what i'm talking about. Anyway back to Falco, his last thing that it needs to be totally changed is his final smash alone this it needs to be arwing)

Wolf (It needs a different moveset with the up special that starts him using his claws and then ends with a foot that would be very cool)

Krystal (I may think she'll have a slight mixure of martial arts and Magic Staff with elements and psychokinesis she'll utilize and her final smash could be one of the cloudrunner summon through telepathy maybe in 3rd perspective view with attacks we never seen)

Ness (I dunno)

Lucas? (I don't know about his return if he would have a different moveset)

Sceptile (We just need a grass type in this game right now there's charizard and greninja so it makes sense if there's another gen starter with 3rd evolution and his final smash that should be solar beam)

Mewtwo (He needs to return with new movesets in the custom movesets & should be tweaked)

Or

Jigglypuff (Alright i know it would return because it was part of the original 12 and from what i heard in brawl it was supposed to be scrapped for some reason and from what i've seen of her she seems just average at best i don't know i personally think she'll never come back if there's any other option but other than that it's assumed that she'll return if be buffed and i'll be like whatever.)

Dixie (Needs a new final smash that was electronic guitar that had a shockwave effect)

King K. Rool (Needs a new villain cause there's only Bowser)

Ganondorf (Needs a new moveset but keep the ones that was so original to him and this time he'll have a mixure of brawl, swordfight & sorcery instead of brawl alone that could keep him from being a semi-clone of Captain Falcon)

Lip? (I don't know what her moveset looks like but if Sakurai and his team do enough research what it's based on the game back them i'll be cool with that)

Ridley? (It could potentially happen but i'm not sure how he plays maybe the details speaks for itself)

Wario (Just his new moveset that was based on Wario Land 1-4 and Wario Land: Shake It! that's it but leave the WarioWare one because his moveset is absolutely original although it needs to be much tweaked and nerfed)

Captain Maple Syrup (Well sure why not)

Or

Mona (Well it could work if her moveset is based on wario ware games with any other fighting touch but it's just me)

Black Shadow? (People think that he should have a "Falcondorf" moveset but then again it needs to be original other than that i am not very sure)

Porky? (I originally chosen Gigyas man but screw it and i gotta say maybe)

Bandanna Dee? (Well since there's no other spear type characters i wouldn't mind him being playable he's unlike any other waddle dees)

Dark Pit? (I don't know when to say this but since he had his own expressions and personality and his own weapons either he'll be playable or as an alternate costume either way he isn't an alter ego he may look similar to pit but there are any differences i guess we still have to wait and see).

I won't say much to others that was really going to be confirmed but if there's any characters i was going to exclude is:

Dr. Mario (First of all he really should be more of an alt than a character which he is still mario in a doctor outfit that is until dr. luigi would take over)

Chorus Boys (Just no i rather have him as a trophy, sticker and as an assist trophy cause they have zero ideas for a moveset it would end up like any other fighters we know with a minor differences so i rather not see them as fighters and if i do i was gonna say screw this i won't ever see these face)

Duck Hunt Dog (Why of all people wanted him to be in this game? I'm going to be legitimately honest with you guys i rather have him as an assist trophy than being playable)

That's how i feel about when i'm hoping each characters i include and exclude to be in smash bros wii u/3ds in any case.

Which characters you would like to see in smash bros 4 wii u/3ds? (If you see what i did there) If so let me know. (heh that kinda rhymed)

@SteelEthlan Also Wolf's final smash that should be wolfen in first person much like samus but in more different way.

@ajhz No duh it is.

@ajhz We pretty much knew that the moment video footage was uploaded, but Shulk's reveal and his render matching the leaked images is the clincher that should kill all doubt (if anyone was still doubting it for whatever reason).

It's not the first time, if it's any condolence. Melee and Brawl both had their rosters leaked. This is the first time there was visual evidence, though. That said, the Brawl leaks were so specific (saying things like Dragoon and its function, Olimar and his moves, the exact date Sonic would be revealed, that it would be delayed twice) they didn't need visual evidence. Despite that, people were so excited for the game that virtually nobody believed them, amazingly enough. Ah, simpler times.

@NCZ I still remember the reactions when that leak dropped.
"Three Star Fox characters? No way!"
"Where's Mega Man?"
"Toon Link? Sakurai said no clones!"
"ROB is an enemy in Subspace!"
"Mewtwo cut? FAKE!"
The poor saps.

@Nightmare Crusher Maybe Nintendo just don't care in light of recent events.

That is a pretty bad mistake, though. You'd think if they wanted to capture footage, they'd know not to use characters who haven't been announced yet.

It's not as bad as the Brawl video which accidentally revealed Lucario, Ness, and Jigglypuff about a week before launch, but geez.

@NCZ Now that I can get behind.

@Jessica Marra Funny that Shulk gets announced mere days after I finally got ahold of a reasonably-priced copy of Xenoblade.

Haven't really played the game yet to compare, but I think it's Adam Howden again. Good to hear that he's still English!

@NCZ I'm pretty sure it's Adam Howden or at least someone who sounds an awful lot like him. I wouldn't be surprised if Adam tweets something about it soon.

@Jessica Marra More or less confirmed via a clever pun:
https://twitter.com/A_HOWDZ/status/505346859897192448

@Jessica Marra Also it's neat that Rikki and Dunban are in there too, even if it looks like Rikki is just a taunt and part of his final smash and Dunban is just the latter.

@GothamRed I kinda wonder if Fiora will appear in the game as an Assist Trophy.

@VGAfanatic I want Reyn, cause it's never a bad time for "REYN TIME!" (which Shulk stole in his trailer. NO, no Shulk Time!)

@GothamRed It also looks like Metal Face will be a stage boss.

@Nightmare Crusher On the bright side, today's Mario Kart news has me hoping that at least 2-3 of those veterans could come back as DLC. Their absence is my only problem with the game's roster. Add them back in, and it's perfect.

@NCZ That is a distinct possibility. I'd rather have DLC be for more newcomers, but I'd gladly pay to see the one character I mentioned back.

@Nightmare Crusher I think a good deal of characters cut from this game would be great to return as DLC, as well as few other rumored leaked fighters, like Mewtwo and Impa.

@VGAfanatic Seeing as how the devs seem to have no problem with clones this time around, I could see Impa being a Sheik semi-clone... as long as she gets decloned in the next game (unlike two other Zelda characters).

As for veterans, I think (CHARACTER REMOVED #1) and (CHARACTER REMOVED #2) have a very good shot at being DLC at some point, with (CHARACTER REMOVED #3) being a maybe. I think (CHARACTERS REMOVED) are gone for good though.

@NCZ As long as you agree the leaks were/are real.

@Dogman15 Of course I do? Given everything that went down yesterday it's nigh impossible for them to be fake.

@NCZ There are a surprising amount of people still saying it's fake. Although their reasoning basically amounts to, "I don't like it so it can't be true!"

@NCZ It's the smart thing to do. After all, it's not official until Sakurai says so.