Fire Emblem Warriors

@SNaG

Brain fart, Alexis Tipton.

@SNaG The funny thing is with Setiz and Ertholz being every enemy I always felt like I was beating up either Python or Zeke.

@PeachesDaisy Looking at the additional voices, I would have had Doug or Mick as Niles, again MY opinion.

@PeachesDaisy Oh and Xander...like what the fruit cake? He sounds awful, and screams like a girl. What's that "BEGONE WRETCH!" about?
Kinda hope they get a new Xander in for any future appearances, David has lost the voice from Fates. Again, MY opinion...just reminding you.

@PeachesDaisy Yeah Stanbra's voice for him gets worse and worse. I don't know if it's the direction or if he's forgotten how to do it or if he's lost grip on what the character is. Regardless I do think that Kaze and Shura need to be recasted but I honestly think that he can keep Xander. All he needs is some fan criticism which he seems to be getting a lot of.

@PeachesDaisy I strongly disagree on Hinoka. In Heroes Cindy sounded OK and I didn't have to completely bench her from my team for her voice like I did with Peri and Mia but here it's an absolute mess. Her Amy Rose/Labrys voice really didn't work and I hope that the character gets a recast for the next game (Amanda Celine Miller is my top choice TBH). However agreed on Lyn. Wendee Lee did a great job with her and managed to bring the character to life beautifully.

@Soul-dragon Fair enough, but I'd keep him as Kaze and Shura over Xander. In all honesty I don't really remember him as them, they aren't very memorable characters to me sadly.
But I would recast him as Xander, not sure who to though.

Well I've never had Hinoka in Heroes, or Mia. And I agree with Peri, though again I never used her much in Fates so her voice isn't too memorable for me. I also have Amanda Celine Miller as my top choice too, but yeah I hope she is recast. Cindy on paper sounded perfect, her execution sadly was not. Then again, it could all be down to directing. She is told to use that voice, much the same with David Stanbra too.

@PeachesDaisy I wonder if Todd Haberkorn is going to be the go to fill in for him since he was Siegbert...and I really don't want that. Todd has a very distinctive voice that's easy to recognize while Stanbra had enough range to play seven characters. It really wouldn't work IMO.

@Soul-dragon I couldn't really picture Todd as Xander, and I hope they wouldn't do that. Who knows, maybe the recast was just a one off, maybe Stanbra was busy? Or as it was a different voice director maybe it was intentional.
I'd kind of like to see Patrick Seitz or Travis Willingham, probably the latter, using a voice like Camus/Zeke. It could work I guess, not that it would ever happen xD

@PeachesDaisy Oh my, comment about Patrick and Travis was referring to Xander, not Siegbert.

@PeachesDaisy In my dreams? J Micheal Tatum. But since I'm going to be realistic I'd say David Vinect would work as well. But who is going to listen to what you say about a recast anyways? Someone who has little knowledge it seems of what goes on in recording booths. No voice director would take your opinion on board, in fact they wouldn't waste their time reading it.

@RetroPokeFan The voices that truly brought everyone else down were the replacements. And I don't mean Lucina or Takumi BTW. Both of them were fine. I'm talking about Hinoka (and Camillia to a certain extent). I'll give Robinson this, never before have I so many fans hate so much on a voice before. And who can blame them? I honestly have to ask why Patrick Setiz thought her Amy Rose/Labrys voice would be a good fit for her. She's a strong independent women as well as a warrior, not some glittery girly girl! Don't get me wrong I love some of her other roles (Ken Amada, Amy Rose, Queen Beryl and Minerva all come to mind) but Hinoka was a step to far for her. The terrible script didn't help either (why do they want to focus on Friendship when the series takes place in Medieval times?). I just hope that the next FE game has a good plot and likable characters and that another FE Warriors game comes out (that focuses on Tellius, Switch and Blinding/Blazing) that doesn't go out of it's way to disappoint or anger me at every move. A Genealogy remake would be nice as well come to think of it.

@SNaG

Yeah.
I dunno how possible it would've been, but I kinda wish they'd gotten Jim Cummings for the role.

Figured I'd clarify, I don't think it's a "bad" dub by any means, but it's hardly close to being one of my favourites however. Especially not compared to the 3DS games.

@HylianBelmont Honestly my favorite Fire Emblem dubs in order are (not including Heroes)...
1. Shadows of Valentina
2. Fates
3. Awakening
4. Warriors
5. Radiant Dawn
6. Path of Radiance
It's not as bad as the last two I mentioned, but it's not exactly Echoes quality either. All in all, it falls in between. There were some performances I liked (Leo, Marth, Caeda) but some sounded quite off to me (HINOKA! And Camilla as well I guess). All in all, I'd give it a B- if I had to assign a letter grade to it.

@HylianBelmont

I'm glad to see Nicolas Roye get a lead role; I've always thought he was pretty underrated. I remember gunning for him to be Ryuji in P5.

@Soul-dragon I'd say I agree with your ranking here, really.

@NCZ That would've been great! But alas.

In any case, I agree that it's nice to see him as Rowan.

@Shaun Ince

I wouldn't be surprised if that does seem to be the case. Between the recent FE games and his recent role in Akiba's Beat, it seems he's fi-core now, and if so, more power to him.

@Digifan Indeed. Here's the released list.

Awakening Pack: Tharja, Owain and Olivia.

Fates pack: Niles, Oboro, Azura

Shadow Dragon Pack: Minerva, Linde, Naverre.

Yeah, I'm not buying it. It's pretty dumb that we have to pay for the NPCs when they're already in the game code. Why couldn't they have made them free like Hyrule Warriors did? And we still don't have any armored units or cavaliers. Maybe they'll improve later on, but none of these packs honestly appeal to me.

@Soul-dragon

No Camus is a big omission. I thought for sure he'd make it.

@NCZ I'm surprised as well. It's a shame that he didn't get in. However two things didn't surprise me and that's the fact that Tharja is in there. I knew she would make it from the start.

@Soul-dragon

"Two things didn't surprise me and that's the fact that Tharja is in there."

Clever.

@Soul-dragon That would be an easier question to answer if we had any idea who Walden James actually was.

@Soul-dragon

Cindy's Hinoka bothers me in this game. It's the same voice she used for Labrys and Amy Rose and that's all I'm hearing whenever I listen to her. It's honestly kind of jarring hearing Labrys's voice coming out of Hinoka's mouth.

@ScraftyIsTheBest I know right? Hinoka's voice went from Ken Amanda to Labrys XD

@ScraftyIsTheBest Yeah and it feels way to girly for her. It's like having Alexis Tipton use her Kofuku voice for Lucina (thank god they didn't do something like that). Honestly I would've picked someone like Natalie Palamides, Erin Fitzgerald or Amanda Celine Miller myself for her.

@Nightmare Crusher Same. But I'm honestly really happy that we got a newbie instead. It's always nice to see new blood, especially when the VA is underrated and as an aspiring VA myself, I'm curious to see if this boosts his career (like how Fates boosted Brianna Knickerbocker's and how Awakening boosted Amanda Celine Miller's).

@Soul-dragon I wouldn't exactly call Nicolas Roye a newbie. That man has been acting in TV shows and movies since 1998, and started taking voice over jobs in 2012. That's nearly 20 years of experience.

@MHUltimate2013DW It's DC Douglas. Are you pleased?

@Soul-dragon

For a different view: https://serenesforest.net/2017/10/04/jedis-review-fire-emblem-warriors-japanese-version/

Some context for the numbers helps somewhat. Not to mention with all the DLC talk ahead of time and in the marketing, it's hard to say who's holding off to wait for the 'complete' game.

@Soul-dragon

For an FE game they're pretty low, but with that said the results aren't too extraordinary for a Musou spinoff. It's not as huge as Dragon Quest Heroes or One Piece Pirate Warriors (since those are two of the biggest franchises in Japan, full stop) but it's about on par with some of the recent ones like Berserk, Sanadamaru, All-Stars. I'm not sure what the Japanese reaction to things like the roster choices, etc. was so I wonder how they felt about it, but there are probably other factors at play too. e.g. Musou fatigue, maybe not a lot of overlap between the fanbases, etc.

In any case basically the short answer is the game probably won over more of the Musou fanbase than the FE fanbase. Not a mindblowingly amazing result but it's pretty run of the mill. We don't know what Tecmo Koei's expectations were but all things considered I think it's probably okay at least. Honestly the game is pretty much just whetting people's appetites for the proper FE Switch game, and I think a bigger story will be how it does worldwide. Putting it the week before Super Mario Odyssey is pretty gutsy.

@Soul-dragon

I don't think the story is great either from what I've seen of it but honestly, I don't think most people play Musou games for the story.

@NCZ I guess, but even if the story was going to be bad then why not just do something that's somewhat unique instead of just making us relive Fates and Awakening? If I wanted to do either of those things, I'd just replay Awakening or Fates (which I do plan on doing). Also, if your going to make us relive those things then actually get the right VAs back. Make Zimmerman the director so that she can get E.G Daily, Rodger Rose and Paula Tiso back and postpone the games release so Laura Bailey can record her lines! Ok, it wouldn't make since to postpone it just so a VA could record her lines, but it should be postponed so it doesn't come out a week before Odyssey, because I guarantee that it's going to die because of that. So no. I won't be buying this. I tried to think positive, but this is really the last straw. I'm sorry, if my complaining comes off as annoying I really am. But I just can't be happy about this game anymore. So instead I'm just going to replay Awakening and Fates.

@Soul-dragon

To be clear though, there are two "story" modes. The "story mode" mashes everyone all up together in an original storyline. "History Mode" is what re-enacts more of the original games. Story mode also has proper cutscenes while history mode uses textboxes between each battle. That being said I won't disagree if the game is a "death of 1000 cuts" scenario for anyone involved. Replaying tried and true classics isn't something anyone can go wrong with.

@NCZ Apparently one of the KT people at the Tokyo Game Show dropped a pretty strong hint that Azura is the first DLC character. Call me cynical, but I wonder if they held her back on purpose because they figured she would sell more.

@NCZ Agreed. She was one character that I was positive would make it but now that she's been deconfirmed...I'm honestly surprised. I mean, I knew both Camilla and Takumi would join Ryoma (they are the two most popular of the siblings from their respective kingdoms after all), but seeing Hinoka and Leo was pretty surprising. Honestly, I would've cut Male Corrin to give her a space (he's OK I guess, but we already have a Corrin) as well as Female Robin (again, for the same reasons) and make them DLC instead. But whats done is done I guess...

@Nightmare Crusher

Yeah, I had a feeling something like that is what they were going for. It just seems so glaring that they made a big point about how they had to have Frederick and Lissa because they couldn't see Chrom without them, but then we get every Hoshidan/Nohrian sibling except Azura. They apparently needed the push from IntSys to add even Lucina. It's a bit scattershot, isn't it.

@Soul-dragon

Well, not deconfirmed. Like NC said, she's basically guaranteed to be in the Fates pack. As for Corrin and Robin, the genderswaps are just alternate skins that aren't part of the main story mode, so they're not really characters in their own right so including them I don't think was any skin off anyone else's back.

@NCZ It appears you were right about IT being Koyasu fans. He even narrated the Fire Emblem direct, so someone has to be a fan of something.

@Soul-dragon

If only Lon'qu and Saber were here too.

@NCZ

Imagine, Takehito Koyasu voicing at least one character in every FE universe.

@MHUltimate2013DW

I mean at this point he just needs to be in Jugdral, GBA, and Tellius.

@MHUltimate2013DW Heck, why doesn't he just voice every character?

@Fulgore2005 Hopefully, that will calm NCZ and Soul-dragon.

@Luigikun

Why are you repeatedly picking fights with other people? Stop it. Other people are simply discussing their opinions. You are the only ones calling people "annoying", getting upset with them, and trying to shut them down for doing so. It is fine to disagree in a discussion but if you do so, you should simply, well, discuss things, instead of doing this.

@Luigikun When was I angry? I was just a bit disappointed.

@Soul-dragon I never meant that, I was just referring to your early-disappointed.

@NCZ I never meant it that way! I was just referring in how you seem to assume the worst in the game, which I can respect it, but sometimes, you should give all these complaints a rest and focus on other things instead.

Look, I really don't want to pick up fights, I just want people to give chances to promising works, no matter how disappointing it may look, I've seen it enough on the Internet, that's all. No fights, just trying to tell you second thoughts of you think and if you think the same, then fine, I'll leave you be!

@Luigikun I guess...but regardless this is good news. And while I'm not thrilled about Niles, it is cool to see Owain (he is one of my favorite child units). Also Gharnef is also in this game, meaning this is his first time getting an official English voice (OVA doesn't count). I'm curious to see who voices him, but lets hope whoever it is will do the character justice.

@Luigikun You're not. I enjoyed the games that this one is pulling from and I'm very much looking forward to it. The few additional characters that they've added just sweeten the deal. I really hope the game does well and we get sequels and/or expansions because the gameplay looks very solid and fun.

@Town Moron A sequel is unlikely if it doesn't sell. And honestly? I don't think it will sell in the US or Europe, mainly because it comes out a week before Super Mario Odyssey.

@Soul-dragon If that's the case then so be it, I guess. Failure because of scheduling foolishness isn't really something you can do anything about. At least we'll get one game with this crossover and these mechanics to play. Sort of another "TMS mindset" situation.

@Town Moron Yeah, Iago and Niles are no joke to be honest (insert eyes emoji here)

@Town Moron (Not being condescending here BTW, both of those guys are pretty great additions in my book!)

@HylianBelmont Haven't heard one way or the other who has a unique moveset and who has a cloned one but a few of the other leaked characters are ones I was hoping to see- especially one of the Shadow Dragon antagonists. Also, Anna's moveset and playstyle looks just plain fun.

@Fulgore2005 Great. DLC would be a great chance to expand the number of games represented like in Hyrule War-

*Fates pack*

Oh...

*Shadow Dragon pack*

Oh...

*Awakening pack*

Oh noooooooo...

@Nightmare Crusher Don't worry man, these are just the firs three planned. The ones from Summer, Fall and Winter of 2018 may be ones from Shadows of Valentia, Blazing Blade and probably Path of Radiance.

@Fulgore2005

Just as it seemed like Lyn and Celica were turning things around they double down. Maaaaaaaaan.

@NCZ Come on man, the other franchises will get their own DLC in the other seasons in 2018 as well.

@Luigikun

That is your speculation. That has not been confirmed or announced at the moment. As well, the main concern since E3 has been the focus on those three games and having to wait for DLC for others, so it doesn't look great for KT if they start off DLC by doubling down on that.

@Nightmare Crusher https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H07zYvkNYL8 I'll still buy the game,but this is truly disappointing. And here I was thinking that they were finally going to show some of the older characters and games some love, this happens. Honestly what was Koei thinking? This makes Marvel Vs Capcom Infinite look fleshed out!

@Fulgore2005 Also we're getting Lucina in a bride outfit. I'm starting to wonder if in a couple of years Fire Emblem will just be a dating simulator. -_-

@Soul-dragon "Fire Emblem will just be a dating simulator"

Oh, don't even start with that nonsense.

@Nightmare Crusher Oh hey, Fates and Shadow Dragon. Two of my favourite FE casts!

But that said, I can still understand the disappointment.

@NCZ It's "possible" they could do more depending on how the game does, I suppose.

But yeah, it's a nice thing that Shadow Dragon has that "Kanto" status of Fire Emblem huh?

@Soul-dragon It will get more representation, just give them time. And the MVCI comparison is rather exaggerated as well.

@Luigikun

"The Other Games Will Get More Representation In Warriors With Time" Says Increasingly Nervous FE Fan For 17th Time This Year

@HylianBelmont

Being real, I think that if anything happens beyond this first round, they'd probably save that for a sequel or some other new game. Hyrule Warriors only got its second round of DLC because of Legends. At this point considering how the NOA season pass was worded, I'm expecting at most we'll get a token couple of non-those-three-games characters (e.g. Ike, Alm, Hector) and anything more/bigger will be saved for a sequel. I mean by the time they do a second season pass, the game would already be a year old. By then you'd be paying $60 for the game plus $40 for two season passes. Might as well skip that, be less intimidating for newcomers and start fresh with a new game with everything in it at once.

@NCZ Not exactly a fan, but your fears of the three games being the only ones that will get DLC is annoying as well.

@Luigikun

Slow down, buckaroo.

"At this point considering how the NOA season pass was worded, I'm expecting at most we'll get a token couple of non-those-three-games characters (e.g. Ike, Alm, Hector) and anything more/bigger will be saved for a sequel."

What is this about how me and the people you're responding to are being "annoying"?

@NCZ Sounds like a great marketing strategy to me.

@NCZ Sorry...it's just that with all three games that are being contested, I expect Fire Emblem Warriors and Sonic Forces being better than MVCI. I'm just...frustrated, that's all.

@Luigikun I guess. But this is without a doubt the dumbest decision Koei has made yet. They had a great chance to win back many fans and they completely blew it. Even Derrick (from Gamexplain) seemed disappointed when he announced the news and claimed if it wasn't for the fact that he was going to review it then he probably wouldn't be picking it up. And I agree on expecting more from Nintendo. You'd think they'd at least include both Ike and Roy, since both have become popular due to Smash Bros, but it doesn't look like either will be showing up soon.

Hey on the bright side a new FEH banner comes out on Friday! Thats good news at least!

@Soul-dragon

I have to admit they've been turning things around lately. If they had revealed Lyn and Celica, as well as History Mode a lot earlier, I feel like people might not have been as worried. I don't know if I'll get it right away mainly because Odyssey is out the weak after, but at least it seems the ship is being righted. I can't help but wonder if maybe they took fan feedback into account and managed to squeeze Celica and Lyn in quickly towards the end. It's pretty surprising that they're in the base game but people like, say, Azura and Tharja aren't.

@NCZ Yeah it was a dumb move to release it a week before Odyssey. I'll probably buy it instead (because I have yet to buy the switch) but Nintendo really should have thought ahead. It's like releasing an Alvin and the Chipmunks movie on the same day as Star Wars or a Winnie The Pooh movie the same day a Harry Potter film comes out.

@Soul-dragon

He is an NPC in history mode. Also it's Validar. Valbar would be ridiculously random.

@NCZ Definitley. I'd be kind of dumb if he got in instead of Alm or Celica.

@NCZ To be fair, Kyle Hebert voices both men. XD

@HylianBelmont Yes! If he's not there, who's going to be completely useless and do zero damage?

@Soul-dragon Or still somehow manage to be badass despite those things XD

@HylianBelmont Welp it looks like your going to need to start your boycott buddy.

@Soul-dragon I'll PM you the plans tomorrow.

@Nightmare Crusher

By far, he would be the perfect LU BU surrogate.

@NCZ Pretty much what I was getting at. I can't think of any other FE character who fits the idea of a living force of nature who just tears through the battlefield.

@Nightmare Crusher He would be perfect, come to think of it. But he'll probably be DLC or something like that.

@Soul-dragon
That's a little disappointing to hear. Wendee fits the character better than Lani, but she's still not really the best person for the role.

@BlueHeracross Really? I think she's a perfect fit TBH (the only role of hers I hate is Haruhi). But she's definitely better than Lani, who sounded to deep for a character who's supposed to be around 17.

@BlueHeracross I actually think her voice in the "Bridal Blessings" DLC was the one to go with tbh. A shame she doesn't sound like that here.

@Soul-dragon Navarre was apparently spotted behind Marth in the EU direct or something (they forgot to hide him and Caeda there) so there's that. Think we'll get to see the original big man Draug as well?

@HylianBelmont Yeah I saw that. I'm curious as to how Chermai Leigh and Tallesin Jaffe will pull them off here. I'm just hoping that they try to learn more about their characters (maybe by watching one of Mang's "Character Spotlights") so that the characters sound OK. As for Draug, I will admit that I'd rather see someone like Minerva, Merric or Linde.

@Soul-dragon Linde or Merric would probably be better choices, actually.

@NCZ

Agreed.

While I still would have liked more representation of characters outside of the SD/Awakening/Fates trifecta (like Eliwood, Eirika, and Roy and Ike, of course), I am both pleasantly surprised (largely due to timing, I just got her Brave Hero variant in Heroes a day before the Direct) and glad to see Lyn make it in time for launch.

As much as it'll kinda annoy the heck outta me, I really hope that we get more non-SD/Awakening/Fates characters in the game as DLC.

I mean, I know that's a given--it's Koei Tecmo and Nintendo we're talking about here. But, at the same time, ya never know, it could be more Fates and Awakening characters. So, I'm crossing my fingers that is isn't.

@NCZ Rumor is Celica will join too.

Now, where's Ike?! *shakes fist*

@SNaG I'd prefer Ike over Celica tbh. Or even the plain "God Emperor" himself, Alm. Or, dare I even say it, "more Awakening/Fates characters" over her.

Oh, but yeah. Lyn joining was a good thing IMO! Not simply because she's a "non-3DS FE character" (couldn't care less about that mentality) but because she's a nice character in general.

@HylianBelmont I honestly disagree about the whole Fates/Awakening characters over her thing. Sure she's not as good a character as Azura, but it does add a bit of balance to the roster. I do agree on either Ike or Alm being better however. Heck, I kind of wish it was Ephiram.

@Fulgore2005 Well, the game does seem fun although History Mode is such a missed opportunity. It would've been a great way to introduce people to the stories from the older games (I for one wanted to learn more about them). Oh well. At least it solidifies that some villains will be in the game. That being said, I'm hoping for Michaelis the most (because he's my second favorite villain in the series and I really want to hear David Vincent as him again) and Garon the least (because I doubt they'd be able to get Travis Willingham back, and I don't think anyone could play the character as well as he did)

@Soul-dragon Honestly I think I agree. Zeke was one thing but Garon was one of "those" performances from an actor you know? The type that just can't be replicated IMHO.

@Soul-dragon Interesting view. If this game gets people into Fire Emblem then it works out one way. Definitely agreed with your thoughts on Garon. Another voice just wouldn't be the same.

I'm hoping for a sequel where they focus on the older games like Gaiden/Valentia. Like I said further down this page, Valentia could have been great as a Warriors game on its own.

@Soul-dragon I guess I should've expected it honestly, since both games are becoming disappointments (roster wise and voice acting wise). Come to think about it, they are quite similar.

@Soul-dragon What if they become unexpected successes? Because I want the vitriol to be thrown back at his face when they come out.

@Luigikun

Who is "he"?

@NCZ No no! I didn't meant to refer you, I tried to write "its", that's all.

@Luigikun

Oh, I didn't think you were referring to anyone specific, the grammar just caught my eye and I like grilling people. Debes practicar, hijo.

@NCZ ¡Mierda!

But still, I believe that people should give this, MVCI and Sonic Forces a rest.

@Luigikun

Eh. I've said it before but I don't think anyone honestly believes FE Warriors will be a *bad* game. Nobody can deny that it will most likely come into its own with DLC. I think people are more just underwhelmed by how it's shaping up to release at launch and bummed that they have to look forward to DLC before it's even out when characters are a huge part of what makes Warriors crossovers exciting. History Mode looks good and revealing that early on probably could've helped things. Sonic Forces is the only one of the three that has the potential to honestly be outright bad if only because it's trying so many things even with 3D Sonic's hit-and-miss track record, but most people's expectations have been pretty reserved to begin with and they would have to try pretty hard to screw up the boost stages.

@PeachesDaisy I think they have to wait for an official cast list before it can be fully updated, even if most of the characters are reprises.

@PeachesDaisy

Because NA release date was only just confirmed two days ago.

@Soul-dragon

Gold star.

@Soul-dragon They didn't with Persona 5 though.

@NCZ Ok...and? I'm not in NA, that's not going to benefit me much.

@PeachesDaisy

Good thing you're not the only person in the world then. It's important to keep things updated with as complete and official information as possible.

Persona 5 had its main English cast members announced before release. This game hasn't. Please just be patient and wait for release. I'd rather wait until everything is official before jumping the gun.

@HylianBelmont

"You never appreciate what you have until it's gone."

@NCZ Kinda realised how petty I came off with this comment myself. But yeah that's definitely a great quote really.

@HylianBelmont Sad but true. I never realized how fantastic EG Daily was as Hinoka until I heard Cindy Robinson's take.

@PeachesDaisy And besides...there's always dual audio.

@Soul-dragon Nah, I don't care for Japanese voice acting. I'd rather understand what the characters are saying without having to read subtitles. If anything, I'd rather watch a fan dub series on YouTube as opposed to listen to Japanese audio.

@PeachesDaisy Really? It's not that bad to read subtitles. Yes, they can be distracting, but some dubs are bad enough to warrant it (cough cough Pokemon cough cough). However, I might not play with dual audio, since the character I'd already decided to main sounds OK. And some of the voices for the unannounced character actually be OK (I'm positive Tiki will make an appearance since she got an amiibo, and Mela Lee seems to know the character well enough to do a decent job)

@PeachesDaisy I honestly have to wonder why the voice director thinks Cindy Robinson's AMY ROSE voice is a good fit for Hinoka? She doesn't sound like a "Warrior Princess" at all anymore sadly.

@HylianBelmont Why anyone thought Amy Rose was fit to replace Buttercup is beyond me. I just hope that the Shadow Dragon characters sound OK (thankfully Marth sounds fantastic here, but part of that may have to do with the fact that this is Yuri Lowentall's 4th time voicing the character) but since the majority of the SD characters who have a small chance at getting in have already been cast, I have a feeling it might turn out OK, but the voices for the Fates characters (with the exception of Leo, Takumi, Ryoma and Corrin) are shaping up to be rather bad.

@Soul-dragon I'm hoping we get to hear more of Walden James's Jagen personally haha. Also agreed on Lowenthal's Marth sounding pretty solid here! He's definitely become a great fit for the character ever since Codename Steam.

@HylianBelmont Agreed on Jeagan. I'd also love to hear Chermai Leigh as Caeda again (if she used her Makoto Nijma voice I know she'd be prefect) and Talesmin Jaffe as Navarre (his take was prefect). But it could always be just Tiki and Marth.

@Soul-dragon I don't have a problem with the Pokemon voice Englsih dub, I find it WAY better than the old cast, but I grew up with the new cast so I don't have that 'nostalgia factor'.
And look, not everyone on this site like Japanese voice acting, you do and that's great I respect your opinion.
And Mela Lee does an ok Tiki, she isn't who I'd use as an example - then again, who is a good example nowadays?

@HylianBelmont No, I don't get an Amy Rose feel from her voice. And Lisa Ortiz's Amy voice would work well enough for Hinoka, if she pitched it down a little - so I guess Hinoka having Amy's voice would work. It would work a lot more than Ken Amada's voice anyways.

@PeachesDaisy 1:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS-u1rVFoYU This is why you never watch Pokemon in English and why I always stick to the sub. 2: Azura is another character who I'm positive will make an appearance and Rena Strober has always done a amazing job with both the singing and voice (it does pay to hire a Broadway actress). Another example I'd make is Tharja. As much as I despise the character, she will most definitely make it in, and Stephinie Sheh practically OWNS the role.

@PeachesDaisy Fair enough, but I do still get an "Any Rose" vibe from Cindy Robinson's performance here however.

But admittedly, I do still agree with you on it fitting more than Ken Amada's voice XD

@HylianBelmont "Any Rose" XD

Maybe she'll sound better in the final game!

@Soul-dragon I don't have a problem with the English version, not everyone wants blaring music in the middle of a battle. Plus I love Ash and Diantha's voice. Could you do any better? I don't think sooooo~
I like both Azura and Tharja, I LOVE Rena's singing and hopefully she'll sing a little more if Azura comes back and she reprises the role.
I don't like games making characters like Tharja and Camilla either, I like them as units in game - but the way the fans represent them is rather sickening.

@PeachesDaisy 1. Diantha's voice is OK, but Ash's is awful. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against his VA (I looked up some of her other work and to my surprise she was actually pretty good (in fact she's my top choice to voice Lusamine, because my headcanon voice (which would be Carrie Kearnan) will probably not happen).
2. I would like to hear her sing Lost in Thoughts all Alone again as well. In fact it would be a dream come true for me if she and Bonnie Gordon did a duet (combining Lost in Thoughts all Alone and the Hertiors of Arcadia).
3. Yeah, the way some idiots represent them is sick. Take this video and it's comments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl2W4R3Ob8I. Honestly, if I had to give them some advice I'd tell those people to go out and meet some REAL girls. I even had the nerve to give this person some advice.

@NCZ I honestly liked Misty Lee's new voice for Camilla the most out of all the characters in that trailer if I'm being honest. Doesn't beat Miyuki Sawashiro or Paula Tiso's performances as the character for me but it's a nice effort however.

But everyone else (aside from Takumi and Leo I suppose) just sounded off. Especially Xander! Why do they insist on having him pitch up his voice more and more for him for every new game? He sounds less like a commanding force on the battlefield, and more like Siegbert.

Also I feel the voice direction is a step down from Heroes as well.

@HylianBelmont I think this just the previews...the actual game may have better acting.

@Luigikun Fair point actually. Xander and Elise in the SSB4 trailer for Corrin didn't sound anywhere NEAR as solid as they did in Fates itself.

@Luigikun

Even if all the VO in the trailers isn't the same as that as the game itself (unlikely since most of what we've heard seems to be story-related), it would've been recorded at the same time as the game, so either way it's not too encouraging.

@HylianBelmont

The SSB4 trailer was recorded long after Fates itself.

@NCZ Same. I thought the voices would be OK...but then I heard Hinoka's. It sounded so grating and forced and the others were OK but didn't stand out (the ONLY voice that stood out to me in the trailer was Leo's so props to Mittelman). As for the roster, it is both safe and predicable. I knew Camillia and the other siblings would make it in, and I'm positive the other characters will be just as predicable so my hype has truly died. BUT my hype might return if they announce Caeda (because I love her as a character and unlike everyone else I felt Chermai Leigh's take was pretty good).

@Soul-dragon

I think I can see Caeda, Navarre, and Camus joining but then at the same time I wouldn't be shocked if it's just Marth. Actually Tiki could show up too I guess. But yeah, I'm feeling burned out after so many other recent crossovers mainly drawing from those games (mainly SSB and Tokyo Mirage Sessions) and I think not having it draw from the series as a whole is a major missed opportunity. I've said it before but it's not a great sign to be looking forward to DLC before the game is even out.

To be fair about Hinoka it sounds like they're having Cindy do a more natural take instead of imitating Elizabeth Daily so maybe it could pay off.

@HylianBelmont

It's so weird. Is it just a cup of tea thing? Heroes did it to an extent, but this game even moreso. I just don't get it. Couldn't they get Zimmerman/Formosa to do this one at least? With the Fates focus it might've given a better chance to be truer to that game's cast.

@NCZ Oh, come on man, how can you not feel something that's not even that far? First MVCI then this, maybe you should rethink in giving chances to something regardless of early judgement.

@NCZ I do agree with you about being tired of all of crossovers from the Shadow Dragon, Awakening and Fates. It's one of the reasons I was so thrilled to see a banner with Scared Stones characters appear in Heroes. And it's definitely a missed opportunity to not pull characters from all of the games. I was attached to some of the characters from Awakening, Fates and Shadow Dragon (Those being Oboro, Maribelle, Sumia, Keaton, Leo) but I honestly would've liked some characters from the past games as well (I really wanted Sanaki and Eirika). In fact, the entire fanbase is in agreement on it being a missed opportunity.

@NCZ Yeah, it would've been better to bring back Zimmerman. At first I thought she was the voice director, but after today, I doubt it.

@Luigikun

I mean... That's just how it is? It's not a bad thing to feel intuitive about what you like and what doesn't personally grab you. Most people tend to have a pretty good intuition about that sort of thing. I'm looking at FE Warriors as someone who is

- An FE fan
- A very, VEEERY casual Warriors fan
- Has multiple games that I'm looking forward to within the same time

I loved Hyrule Warriors because its creative combination of Zelda with the Warriors formula was enough for me to give it a look, and it paid off really well. I'm completely down for a game that combines a series I love with the Warriors format if it does it really well like that. The thing is as an FE fan I don't feel so hot about the roster leaving out so many great games and their characters, and the picks from the games they are going with being somewhat safe.

I like the Warriors style and I trust the core gameplay will be solid, but it's just not enough that I feel the need to rush out and pay $50 for the game.

I love playing a variety of games and this autumn has tons of things that I'm completely down for. In September I'm interested in Samus Returns and the SNES Classic. October has Super Mario Odyssey, Azure Striker Gunvolt combo pack. There's also a couple other things I'm interested in but don't mind waiting a bit for like South Park and the Dragon's Dogma remaster, as well as plenty of games from earlier in the year I didn't get at launch and am planning to check out before 2017 is up. As much as I love games and consider it to be my favourite hobby, I only have so much free time and free money. If I had more of that I wouldn't be opposed to giving FE Warriors a look. But as it is I'm just not really feeling it and, like I said, it's the kind of game that seems like it'll have a lot of DLC and maybe a complete edition down the line so I'm in no rush to get it at launch when I can wait until there's more meat on its bones and evaluate it then.

I don't think FE Warriors will be a bad game, not by any means. With Warriors you know what you're getting. But there's enough info out there for us to get the idea of what to expect from it. There's plenty of people out there who can look at that info and decide they're down for it, but it's also fair if people can look at that and think that they're good. It's also fine to use that as a jumping-off point to discuss something. In comparison when I saw Echoes or Fates I knew from day 1 that I was interested, that never really wavered, and I ended up enjoying them. That's all there is to it. It's funny though, I find that games are a hobby where it seems like it's easy to fall into a cynical mentality, but even if I'm not personally into a release it's not something I try and get that worked up about. Games are in a great place at the moment, but obviously not every single release is one that will personally speak to you and that's fine. It's no different than any other hobby or medium.

@Soul-dragon

I'm glad Heroes and Echoes exist because they're a perfect opportunity to shine light on the older games and introduce people to some new favourite characters. Even I have to admit I'd never really given Gaiden a chance before, but I love Echoes and am so grateful they decided to remake it.

I think Warriors seems like more of a breaking point since it's so soon after those games reignited interest in the older games, and the other crossovers mainly focusing on SD/Awakening/Fates. It makes me wonder, actually, if maybe the issues surrounding the roster would be less pronounced if the game came out a few years sooner. Obviously that's a big what-if since they were still working on Hyrule Warriors up until last year but it's some interesting food for thought.

I'm still holding out for Ike and/or Lyn being part of the base roster but things are starting to get tight.

@NCZ Yeah Cup of Tea did great with Awakening and Echoes. But the Fates characters, both the recasts and reprisals. Just don't have the enjoyable flair that Kris Zimmerman gave to the voice direction for them. Hopefully she works on the Switch one honestly.

"The SSB4 trailer was recorded long after Fates itself" yeah that's right actually. I always keep forgetting about that admittedly.

@NCZ Yeah, part of me is thinking that this is perhaps a Kevin McMullan-type thing and Cup of Tea is trying out a new voice director for this game, which feels that way, considering how CoT only has two consistent voice directors and how lackluster the VA have been so far, just by the trailers alone.

Though, part of me also wonders if the dub was produced under a lower budget (à la MGS: TTS), hence the off-putting performances so far.

It is a shame in regards to Cup of Tea, after Awakening, Heroes, and Echoes all had great performances around the board.

@NCZ I completely agree that Zimmerman would have bought in better performances for Warriors, given her work in Fates.

I also understand the disappointment of mainly focusing on SD/Awakening/Fates. At the very least, Intelligent Systems is up to wanting to make a sequel using different characters.

https://twitter.com/EnglishLeo/status/884578776587415553

@MasterBlaster

New director is what I was thinking as well. This just isn't up to Wendee Lee or Patrick Seitz's usual standards.

They have more than just two VDs but it is usually Wendee who ends up being most common. Taliesin Jaffe directs stuff for them occasionally, so does Kirk Thornton. Sam Riegel and Liam O'Brien used to but they've been so busy lately that they haven't as much. Then occasionally you get Seitz. My bet is maybe it's a new(er) VA or an outsider VD who usually works with different companies (like how Taliesin used to direct for NGP before starting with Cup of Tea).

@NCZ My thoughts exactly. It couldn't be Wendee Lee or Patrick Setiz but we know it's not Zimmerman because Daily, Rose and Tiso didn't reprise. It could be a newcomer, because it does feel like a step down from Echoes. However on my thoughts on the game as a whole (gameplay and character wise) is...well...SageMaster15 describes it perfectly.-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqDJK08ZvUo&t=35s

@NCZ As of Akiba's Beat there's also Michael Sorich and Chris Cason doing directorial work at Cup of Tea. I dunno if it's someone newer or not though, the quality of a director's work can vary.

@HylianBelmont Haha you liked the Fates voices for the cast? I honestly thought Camilla, Hinoka and Takumi sounded rubbish in Fates. "Big name" voice actors or not, those voices couldn't have missed the mark harder. I couldn't be happier that Formosa isn't handling the Fire Emblem series anymore honestly.

These new takes in Warriors sound far better. Hinoka is still off and it's a shame none can apparently match how good the Japanese voice sounds, but Elizabeth Daily's smoker voice was in a whole league of bad of its own. Camilla and Takumi are leagues better as well, with Camilla actually sounding her age rather than 20 years older and Takumi sounding appropriately young and hot blooded. I'm honestly enjoying almost all of the voice acting we've been seeing thus far and am totally pumped for when the game comes out.

I read through a bit of the massive thread here and I honestly don't see what you guys are saying. There are some hiccups here and there but it all sounds up to par with Heroes to me so I wouldn't be surprised at all if this is Patrick Seitz or Wendee Lee. I think you guys either haven't played enough of Heroes to get used to the new voices or you're overreacting to the change. I get that you guys liked Kris Zimmerman's work and fair enough I suppose, but I think you should chill and give this stuff another listen or two.

Also remember even a good voice director's work can vary in quality, I can't believe Kris Zimmerman did the awful Fates dub and then also worked on stuff like Metal Gear and Bayonetta. Wendee Lee has done some fantastic work and also did the surprisingly awkward Xillia dub, which should've been leagues better with the cast it had.

But hey, stick to your trepidation if you wish, but I'm loving what I see and hear so far. Far more so than what I saw and heard in Fates.

@Stelman257 Wow, what a condescending comment. I mean if the Fates dub was "rubbish" then why do the majority of the people, on this site and others, seem to like it? Also you can't tell me that Cindy Robinson's AMY ROSE voice for Hinoka here is BETTER than EG Daily's natural tomboy voice. No offence but you seem so biased against the Fates dub that you're desperate to prefer anything else different or new. Even subpar imitations.

And how pray tell did Takumi not sound hot blooded and youthful in Fates, did you even listen to him in the "betrayal" cutscene? Oh, and look! The "LOL CAMILLA'S VOICE IN FATES SOUNDS OOOOLD" nonsense again lol. Mature doesn't necessarily equal = old-sounding.

And don't you DARE accuse me of being biased against the Heroes voice cast or the VAs themselves. I've heard plenty of it, and I was one of the people DEFENDING the replacement VAs despite preferring the originals. I even gave Cindy Robinson a chance, but unfortunately I just can't like it. And if you unironically think that Xander's weird "chummy" and high- pitched voice is an improvement over how he sounded in Fates. Then I have no idea what to say to that other than "I suppose I respect your opinion"

@Stelman257

Your tone and wording in this comment are simply not conclusive to a conversation in good faith. You come off as just plain condescending and confrontational. With all due respect, it's crucial that you consider your word choice carefully in the future because posts as extreme and loaded as this are simply not beneficial for anyone involved.

Sorry for not responding to more of these earlier, was having computer issues...

@Fulgore2005

Yeah, I think that a Warriors 2 would make sense at some point. Fresh start, feature all of this one's characters, plus more characters from more games right off the bat. Although, I figured Hyrule Warriors would be a prime candidate for a sequel as well so maybe they'd alternate between the two. Like you say it depends on how well this one does. Hyrule Warriors actually did really well.

@BlueHeracross

You know, that's funny. When I wrote that bit about outsider directors, Chris Cason was one of the people I had in mind since he's voiced for Cup of Tea before and been directing LA stuff lately. I didn't know he did Akiba's Beat. Interesting.

@Soul-dragon

It is frustrating. I do get the vibe this game was developed separately from Heroes and Echoes and they probably took a gamble on playing it relatively safe with the games represented. KT took a gamble but I'm sure they probably wish they had the benefit of hindsight. With a fanbase as ravenous as this they're probably worried about becoming shark food.

@NCZ Agreed. Though I wouldn't be surprised if a potential sequel only kept in the twins (and likely Darios) and chose to include different characters from different games (like Radiant Dawn, Shadow Of Valentia and Blazing Blade).

Personally, I think Koei COULD have simply done one game per FE story. Like the previously mentioned SoV. I think that the story/music with Koei's gameplay would make for a great DW/FE game.

@Fulgore2005

That'd be one way of doing things. They could have it like Dragon Quest Heroes 2 where the story mode is a different cast, but the characters from the first game who aren't in the story are still playable outside of it.

It'd be cool if they did something like Hyrule Warriors' adventure mode and had adventure maps based on each game.

@NCZ "Your tone and wording in this comment are simply not conclusive to a conversation in good faith."

I suppose I'll have to take that to heart, my apologies. I probably approached the conversation coming off of a bad knee jerk reaction to seeing some rather passionate comments that were so contrary to my own view.

@HylianBelmont My apologies, I don't think I intended to be condescending but I definitely came off that way.

But even so what I was trying to say is still absolutely how I feel. EG Daily's voice, call it natural tomboy or whatever you will, I really felt it was truly truly awkward and unfitting. Cindy Robinson's Amy Rose voice is at absolute worst, a side step in my view. I will contest that I'm biased against the Fates dub though, because I thought Xander, Leo, Ryoma, Elise and Sakura sounded just fine (hell I love how Leo sounds). Camilla and Takumi I absolutely prefer their replacements, and while you may call Camilla's voice "mature" in Fates, I felt they went for a vocal quality that didn't mesh with the character at all, neither personality nor design wise. I honestly haven't noticed much of a change in Xander's voice between the original game and the trailers/previews for Warriors. His Spring and Summer outfits had the voice sound strange, but I assume that was because the actor was playing up the ridiculousness of it all, for better or worse.

Anyway, I do apologies for any assumptions or bad condescending tones. I know what it's like to love a dub and see other people ****ting on it so I can't blame you too much here. I can only hope this comment makes discussion a little less ugly haha.

@Stelman257 Fair enough. Some of my reply back there was a bit of a knee-jerk reaction as well admittedly. I don't entirely agree mind you but I still get where you're coming from here and respect your opinion.

I just think my main issue with Xander's VA is that he's constantly using his higher-register for him here. Granted it happened a few times in Fates as well, but usually it was at moments when it made more sense IMO (Like when he shouts "Elise!" for example and becomes emotionally vulnerable during "that" scene)

But yeah, I love Takumi and Camilla's replacement voices as well though! Just not "as" much is all.

On a side note, I do like that Paula Tiso and Misty Lee seem to be on good terms with each other on Twitter honestly (Which may seem like a rather weird thing for me to care about or even mention here admittedly, but still haha.)

@Fulgore2005

Looks like we'll be able to hear Lucina's original voice after all!

@NCZ Seems like it. I'm still surprised the demo had Japanese intro clips and English dialogue for the gameplay.

On a side note, they took an interesting direction with Lissa gameplay wise.

@Soul-dragon

Honestly it's the double-edged sword of making it big. I love Troy and Laura and I'm so glad they've become as famous as they are but it's such a bummer to me whenever they lose roles. Even Liam O'Brien and Travis Willingham have been starting to head down that road too. I'm legit amazed Mercer has stuck around with his roles as long as he can. He's clubbing with Sofia Vergara and still managing to do these dubbed games. Pretty wild.

@NCZ I'm surprised that Mercer hasn't lost any roles yet either... but it's only a matter of time before he does.

@Soul-dragon

He is being replaced as Leon in the Resident Evil 2 remake but that apparently wasn't his decision. Though come to think of it, apart from that I am having a hard time thinking of any other parts he was replaced in off the top of my head.

@NCZ You said once he's part of the SAG-Aftra, which makes him obtain roles in pre-lay western games, but it also allows to stay on track with his non-union works. PATRick Seitz, Max Mittelman, Robbie Daymond and Erica Lindbeck seem to be the same case, so I don't see Matt retiring from these kinds of dubs anytime soon.

Also, when did he dated her? He' said he's engaged to Marisha Ray.

@Luigikun

Well more precisely I think he might be financial core since he's never had any problems working on and being publicly associated with both union and non-union stuff with his real name.

He and Marisha are engaged. But I was talking about this.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWHeueogfuj/?taken-by=sofiavergara

@NCZ

Yeah, it really sucks. I love Laura Bailey and I'm also glad that she's become very successful, but she's such an incredible actress in her roles to the point where it always feels wrong when she gets replaced in a role that she played.

It's especially saddening because Laura has a really distinct charm in her voice acting that is irreplicable and really adds a unique level of depth and characterization to the characters she plays. It's such a unique charm to the point where it's hard to imagine anybody pulling off some of her roles better than her.

Losing Laura as Rise in P4DAN was the first real bummer to me and it still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Part of it is because I really like Rise as a character, and was utterly charmed by Laura's portrayal of her in most of the P4 games, so her not returning for DAN (which was also practically Rise's own game) ended up being salt in open wounds for me (didn't help they already lost four other VAs before that, Troy being one of them). It certainly didn't help that Ashly Burch's performance was aggressively mediocre and very grating (for me) to listen to. This sadly was only the start of it, as after this we saw Laura dropping a multitude of other roles as well, such as Kid Trunks and Platinum the Trinity. That also makes me kind of sad.

Alexis Tipton will probably do fine as Lucina here, but it's still gonna suck not having Laura back for the role. She's a great voice match for Laura but doesn't quite have that unique charm of Laura's voice, and Laura did an amazing job in the games she played Lucina in. Which means that while Alexis will still do a good job, whenever I hear her, there's just gonna be that nagging voice in the back of my head constantly saying "You're not Laura". I'll still get this game nonetheless but it's still a bummer, especially when Laura's so iconic in a number of her dub roles (such as Rise, Lucina, Trunks, Maka, Lust, etc.).

@ScraftyIsTheBest

Yeah, for sure. People bring up the Alexis Tipton being the permanent Laura replacement thing, and well, I'm not so sure it's always best to hire the same person to replace all of someone's roles in all cases.

They're just totally different actresses who bring very different things to the table. They have a similar dulcet quality in their throats, but apart from that they're really distinct. Alexis's voice is higher and she tends to waver a bit more with her inflections. There are roles that work with this in mind and roles that work with Laura in mind. Sometimes there's overlap, but it's not always going to be 1:1 because no two people's ranges are 100% alike.

I get exactly what you mean about voicematches being disorienting. Maybe it's just because I'm so familiar with hearing all the voices and such, but yeah. It's actually more distracting to me when a character sounds mostly soundalike, but "off", than if they just went a completely different direction. Once I'm aware that it's a replacement, my brain starts to pick up on the subtle differences and nuances and it really does take me out of it. I get that it's entirely on me, but that's why philosophically I tend to prefer when they have replacements get to really be themselves and put their own stamp on the performance. When they make it their own, it's easier to forget they're not the ones who got the ball going, know what I mean?


That's the recurring trend I've noticed with Cup of Tea compared to other dub studios. It's always Cup of Tea who tend to just go for Alexis when Laura isn't available. Meanwhile in games not done by them (MVC Infinite, Zero Time Dilemma, P4Dan), they tend to have more free reign. Cup of Tea have had a solid track record lately but I wish they would try to experiment a bit more on that front rather than strictly adhering to one guideline in all cases. Of course, there are instances when doing that is probably for the best, and going in a new direction is a misfire. You basically touched on all the reasons why DAN's dub in general was kind of a mess for example.

It can be really tricky sometimes though when dubs don't always have the hugest pool to work with, or when the original voice is just so distinct. Like Liam O'Brien as Navarre in Shin Megami Tensei IV. There's no one else really in the regular dub pool like him and try as they might, it was just really obviously someone doing a Liam O'Brien impression.

Alexis is a fine VA from what I've heard of her. I just think it's unfair if this happens too often and it makes it too easy for people to start thinking of her in Laura's shadow. Hopefully I expressed that in a way that isn't, you know, diminishing her stature or anything. Legitimately mean no disrespect to her as an individual here, just trying to look at this overall trend of casting people trying to replace others purely as a voicematch compared to other alternatives.

@NCZ That's actually why I was really pleased with the direction they took for Palla's voice in Echoes, Laura Bailey's voice was actually fairly higher in tone (similar to her Rise) and instead Alexis went for a slightly deeper, and husky voice. Which rather helped the performance stand on it's own IMO.

@NCZ "Honestly it's the double-edged sword of making it big. I love Troy and Laura and I'm so glad they've become as famous as they are but it's such a bummer to me whenever they lose roles."

I have an honest query here. Why, or how is this, I dunno, a logical sentence I guess? Not criticizing you here of course, but how does someone making it big mean they start seemingly appearing in LESS work, and being heard less by people? Is it because they start getting paid so much by certain jobs that they knock back other jobs? Is it because they're too busy with higher paying jobs, that apparently aren't ever a big deal/named role, since we never see them credited as a particular character in said roles? Why does them losing roles, even if they're dubbing roles, mean they're "making it big?"
I haven't heard guys like Crispin Freeman or Troy Baker in ages, and they're the "big name" VA's, but I heard guys like Erica Lindbeck or Max Mittelman quite a lot, and while they're fantastic, they're apparently the "newbie" VA's that haven't made it big?

I mean, I can guess an answer or two, but I would like to hear some thoughts on this I guess. It all seems so confusing to me.

@Stelman257

This is a very leading question and I don't think you're interpreting my statement right. I'm talking about when Laura or Troy start getting more intensive, mocap roles in AAA games, and as a result their schedule fills up to the point where they have to leave smaller/dubbed roles behind since they either don't fit into the schedule, or the pay they'd give them doesn't justify working their schedule around it. If you're at the point where you can actually afford to turn down roles in favour of the ones you find creatively fulfilling, without having it affect your ability to make a healthy living, in entertainment or artistry that is generally considered being able to "make it big". That's no different than once you find yourself in a comfortable high-paying fulltime position and don't need to take part-time or minimum wage jobs.

"I heard guys like Erica Lindbeck or Max Mittelman quite a lot, and while they're fantastic, they're apparently the "newbie" VA's that haven't made it big?"

What exactly are you hearing them in? How often are you hearing them? They're rising names, maybe. But they're not household names. People who don't follow voice actors that often know who Troy Baker and Laura Bailey are because of their close association with many of the high-profile games they work on. Troy is synonymous with The Last of Us, Bioshock Infinite, InFamous Second Son, Uncharted 4, did a ton of the promotion for those games, and closely tied to the games' creators whenever they were seen promoting or talking about them. Laura presented Gears of War 4 at E3 and her name was in headlines when her Uncharted 4 role was revealed.

I mean the reason why those other people are considered "new" is as simple as that. "Big name" people are veterans who've been around for years. "New" people have only really been around for a couple years. When you look at people like Tom Kenny or Tara Strong who've been in VO for 20+ years, a resume that only goes back to 2013 is pretty much nothing in comparison. It's nothing against those VAs in particular, that's just... what the definition of being new is. Also to note that if people appear mostly in anime and non-union JRPG dubs, it's not the highest profile form of VO due to its inherently niche audience, nor the highest-paying either. Domestic animation and domestic games are where the money and the mainstream recognition is at so the most well-known people in the industry are the ones who tend to have that on lock.

@NCZ "If you're at the point where you can actually afford to turn down roles in favour of the ones you find creatively fulfilling, without having it affect your ability to make a healthy living, in entertainment or artistry that is generally considered being able to "make it big". That's no different than once you find yourself in a comfortable high-paying fulltime position and don't need to take part-time or minimum wage jobs."

I guess that's what I figured, it's interesting. And yes you're right, Troy did appear in some huge games, but they're all from years ago now. The couple of games you listed there are mostly from 2013-2014. I guess I just find it interesting that since Troy and Laura have "made it big", that we get to hear them significantly less and less as a result.

I guess they'd be working for months and months on mocap projects as well. And I get what you're saying about newer VA's, but I just generally do hear them in games and shows more than I do VA's like Troy Baker, Laura Bailey, even guys like Crispin Freeman or Steve Blum. I'm not saying you're wrong, because I know you're not, it's just an interesting observation I've had.

@NCZ There's still chance for them you know.

@Luigikun

I mean yes but the roster is starting to fill up fast. Optimistically there'll be around 20 at launch probably. I thought, per game, they would just go with 3 or so of the "main" characters and then have 2-3 other characters being whoever. So we'd have the OCs, however many SD characters they want (Marth, Caeda, Navarre, whoever else, maybe Abel/Cain?), Fates would be Corrin, Xander, Ryoma, Azura, and a couple other people, Awakening they'd have the main 3 and then some supporting characters. Awakening has 5 characters now and any more would feel like overkill to me (though they'll probably throw in Tharja and then wrap it up). The point I'm making is they aren't prioritizing the "non-main units" for representation as much as I was hoping and there are more "main" ones than I was expecting.

@NCZ "they're mainly limiting themselves to SD/Awakening/Fates for whatever reason"

Because those are the most popular and well known, come on. Easy reason.

@Stelman257

I know. I was being rhetorical.

@NCZ Kaze and Tharja are both pretty popular so they'll more than likely be in there too I think. But yeah I share your overall sentiment here as well.

@HylianBelmont

Oh I 100% always believed Tharja would make it, no doubt about that. Just things are starting to get tight when it comes to Awakening representation so I'd be surprised if there's more than her. Maybe Sumia, Gaius, Cordelia I could see joining in. I think maybe her and at most one other for "non-main" Awakening characters.

Fates is also where stuff gets tricky since there's still the rest of the royal families (Leo, Hinoka, Camilla, Takumi, etc.) plus Azura. Though they could probably skate by with just Corrin, Ryoma, and Xander representing them. Kaze, Silas, Felicia and Jakob would also make sense since they're among the few neutral units in the game.

I can see Ike and Lyn being the last two main characters if they want to go "see? It's not solely those three games" but I can also see them being saved for DLC (as non-ideal as it is to be thinking about that before launch). The likes of Sigurd, Alm and Celica, Ephraim and Eirika though, they'll definitely be DLC.

@Luigikun

Well Hokuto Musou, Gundam, and Dragon Quest Heroes 1 and 2 were all dubbed. Hyrule Warriors had a narrator who got dubbed.

@NCZ Ooops...What I meant that this is the one of the musou games with an actual English dub in years since Dynasty Warriors 8 (Hyrule Warriors and Nioh doesn't count for me though.)

@NCZ And also, one done in America as well.

@HylianBelmont

They might be saving Robin and Lucina until close to launch since they're probably among the most popular major characters to pull out still, from the games they're drawing from at first.

Also for what it's worth, the press kit actually specifies Corrin as F!Corrin in her artwork's filename, so Male Corrin might be coming too, even if only as a skin.

@NCZ Yeah that makes sense. I'm one of the 10 people who actually likes M!Corrin so I want to see how he looks in Warriors haha.

@tanx6160 Eh. Honestly I'm a bit disappointed by the character models. I'll only play it if it has an amazing voice cast and good DLC (Cough, cough Eirika cough cough Hector cough cough Roy cough cough)

@technickal I actually do miss the way David Stanbra used to play Xander to be honest. He just had something so perfect in his pitch and tone that he's kinda lacked since Heroes, IMO.

@HylianBelmont He now sounds more... chummy I guess? He's lacking the regal oomph of the original.

@HylianBelmont

Might be Zimmerman not directing?

Matt's really emphasizing the depth for Ryoma this go around but that could just as easily be them trying to differentiate him and Chrom, I guess.

@FUNiman Definitely, he had a deeper, and more regal voice in Fates. Which was one of my favourites.

@NCZ I'd imagine that's probably the case, yeah.

@HylianBelmont @NCZ Xander seems to be characters here as he is at end game Fates, where he has resolved and gotten closure on a lot of his internal conflict, so I'm not surprised he sounds lighter and happier, as he does during the endings for Conquest and Revalation.

Matthew Mercer going ever so slightly deeper with Ryouma (who was already in a rather deep register of his voice anyway) is absolutely to truly distinguish him from Chrom. Ryouma is also a lot more royal than Chrom is as well, and the tone and speech style really reflect that. Hell, I read many who couldn't even tell if one or the other was really still Matthew Mercer!

@Stelman257 True, he does sound similar to how he did those particular endings (and in the case of Heroes, you could assume that both Xanders in that game are probably from after CQ or Rev as well)

Also, I heard Chrom's voice in the new trailer, and Matt Mercer definitely did a great job differentiating his and Ryoma's voices this time around! Chrom's voice, despite being fairly higher than in Awakening, still didn't go into Azama or Shigure territory at all IMO.