Justice League Action

@TheVengeanceKnight The shorts in general have been fantastic.

@TheVengeanceKnight This is so meta. The fourth wall was literally obliterated.

@TheVengeanceKnight I'm seriously trying to imagine Mark's face when he saw the script for this. In some weird way, his career just ate itself.

@TheVengeanceKnight I feel bad for Mark, he only had about 3 lines and makes you wonder why they got him to do these short lines.

In all seriousness, this is the kind of love I want for all other veteran voice actors. Hard to believe Teen Titans Go did it first. Nostalgia Critic got Kyle Herbert and Cree Summer to do some skits and I just I'm just waiting for an pro animator would do the same with someone like Cristina Vee, having her emotions be her favorite characters she's played over the years.

@ErronDio - When did Cree appear in Nostalgia Critic?

@ErronDio "I feel bad for Mark, he only had about 3 lines and makes you wonder why they got him to do these short lines".

I don't get it, are you saying you're disappointed that Mark Hamill only got a few lines *as himself, Mark Hamill*? Because, you know, he literally plays everyone in that episode: Mark Hamill, Joker, Trickster, Swamp Thing. For a four minute short, he plays all of the characters and gets plenty of dialogue throughout...

@TylerMirage I think ErronDio was joking about Hamill himself having a "small role" in the short. Hence the "In all seriousness" of the next paragraph.

@HyperVoiceActing
When he reviewer one of the Inspector Gadget Christmas Special

@ErronDio I laughed.

@Kioea
"What's that? Is it poison?"

"It's chocolate."

@Shaun Ince It's Jonathan Adams.

@Polyester Funk Nice. That was someone I wanted to voice Darkseid for a while.

@Shaun Ince Yeah. He's a really good fit for the character.

@TheDayman It's Not just You..... Believe Me...

@EPA Deane - Better than making him a god that can do no wrong like DC's been doing for years

@HyperVoiceActing Two points:

1. It's replacing one Extreme with another...

2. That problem honestly feels exaggerated to me...... Honestly the real issue for Batman IMO is the Over-saturation of the character.....

@EPA Deane - I'm not gonna disagree with you about him being oversaturated, but I don't see how that related to the problem of "joke character vs bat-god"

@HyperVoiceActing Batman's mere presence can overshadow other characters.... regardless of whether he's played as a punchline...

That's just my perspective.

@HyperVoiceActing You more or less summed up why I hate most later iterations of Batman, especially in some of the more recent movies. Trying to pass him off as flawless has ended up making him more flawed than ever. Even the DCAU from the 90's to early 2000's had to switch it up every now & again.

@EPA Deane That's not the issue he has with Batman. Oversaturation of Batman is definitely a flaw, but the way Batman has been written is what he takes the most issue with.

I don't know about you, but I find Batman pretty insufferable in some of the recent material he's been in. And this counts the comics too. I kind of like the direction they took with Batman in this show, his whole schtik is played for laughs & some funny moments come from it.

@EPA Deane Shaun has a point there.

@Shaun Ince Over saturation of The Joke can prove frustrating and I feel the Show Drives it into the Ground.

@EPA Deane You don't seem to have a sense of humor.

@8000 Saiyans I'm more partial to Dry Humor as a Rule..... Though I also find comedy in animated Shows to be Over Saturated to a Frustrating degree.

@EPA Deane Seems like you're one of those guys that thinks drama is superior to comedy.

@8000 Saiyans If That was the Case, I wouldn't Love Animainiacs, Pinky and The Brain, Fraiser, Futurama and Batman: The Brave and the Bold as Much as I Do.

@8000 Saiyans I also Hate the Notion that Subtle, Dry Humour doesn't count as 'Real Humour'.

@EPA Deane It's not that it doesn't count, it's just that in a show like this, with a light-hearted tone, you can't have dry humor all the time.

I like dry humor in some characters, but when it gets overused, it's kinda tiresome for me.

@Starscreamsfan Batman: Brave and The Bold Pulled it off and Had some solid Dramatic moments as Well.

@EPA Deane Yeah, I know that, but this show is a different beast altogether. This is more about having fun with the stories and the characters. Brave and the Bold was more of a show that wanted to keep the style of the 50's yet also inject drama into it whenever it fit.

Not all shows can be the same.

@Starscreamsfan Except this Show evokes it in a Very Similar whilst lacking a Lot of the Heart that Brave and the Bold had.

This Show for me is a Garish 'Time Waster' and One of my Biggest Pet Peeves for an Animated series is to be a 'Time Waster'.

It doesn't make it a Rewarding Viewing Experience for me.

@EPA Deane Personally, if this show was a time waster, then I wouldn't spend time with my little brother watching it. He loves the show and it makes for a fun family time for the two of us.

Again, it's just my view.

Honestly, I have to agree with Starscreamsfan on this one. Not every show has to be the same. I like a bit of variety.

A show having fun with the stories and characters is not a bad thing and a show being complex and dramatic is not necessarily a good thing.

I think EPA Deane should realize that.

@8000 Saiyans So You're Saying I HAVE to Sacrifice Personal Standards and Conform.

@EPA Deane No, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that you don't have to take everything seriously all the time.

I like serious shows but they can be tiresome after a while. A comedic show can be refreshing.

@8000 Saiyans Except This is Another Animated Comedy.

The Majority of Western Animation today is Geared towards Comedy.

I have seen enough Western Comedy to have become Sick and Tired of it.

I ask for Substance with Heroics I can relate to, rather than the Caricatures I see in this

Have your Opinion (I'm not Going to Begrudge you for it ), But let me have mine.

@EPA Deane What makes you think I don't respect your opinion?

@8000 Saiyans You seem to have a Habit of Interjecting at my Opinion Comments and making Presumptions with negative connotations (e.g. thinking I have no Sense of Humor).

I see the words, but not the Way they are 'Spoken'.

@EPA Deane I guess some of your casting suggestions for feel a bit questionable to me.

@EPA Deane I guess some of your casting suggestions for characters feel a bit questionable to me.

@8000 Saiyans I like to see Voice Actors go against Typecasting.

Why is that Questionable?

@EPA Deane I don't find voice actors playing against type questionable.

But there's some casting ideas that you have that I just can't see working very well, that's all.

@EPA Deane Let me ask you then this: if all Western cartoons nowadays were serious, wouldn't you get sick and tired of them all being serious? I would.

@8000 Saiyans My Issue With Comedic Excess is that it can dehumanise a Character to a Caricature. That's one of the reasons people take Umbrage with Teen Titans Go, since the Reductive Comedy removes Compelling Aspects of the Characters (Especially in the Case of Raven who is Reduced to a Goth Stereotype with an Embarrassing Father).

This Show of 'FUN, FUN FUN' Doesn't feel Balanced to me, lacking in moments of Subtlety.

Honestly Shows Like this are making me feel less engaged with Western Animated Television At the Moment.


Putting that Aside, I don't Know if it would make me Sick and Tired to Have constant Serious Animated Series..... but at least I would be more likely to have genuine Characters to Invest in, Challenge Me and Make Feel Gratified by their Happy or Bittersweet Endings (whichever they may be).

And Before you Say All Shows Don't Have to Be The Same, the Shows I love Don't Come Often Enough as it is.

@EPA Deane A show doesn't have to be balanced to be great.

@8000 Saiyans That is A Subjective Opinion, Not A Matter of Fact....

All I have left to say is That I Personally Feel this Show's Concept works better in Bit Sized Shorts and that the Show as Is doesn't Really Strike me as Engaging to ME as a Viewer.

This is a Fact describing an Opinion......

@EPA Deane I never said it was a fact, but I guess I should have add "IMO".

Fine by me if you don't like this show and think it should be deep and provocative.

@8000 Saiyans Or Have Moments of Subtlety. You Forgot That I Want That as Well....

@GreenGoblin75

Wes Gleason's Voice Direction is Partly at Fault IMO.

The Writing at Times even More So.

@EPA Deane - What would that be again?

@HyperVoiceActing I don't Like The Animation, the Humour for me usually falls flat, the Characters lack depth and I find a lot of the voice acting to be uninspired (either through weak castings or through ADR Misdirection).

@EPA Deane This show is about having fun, that's why I like it. It's a great callback to old timey stuff.

People just have different mindsets.

Someone with my mindset prefers fun, engaging stories with a great sense of adventure and thrills which unfortunately, I don't find in a lot of TV shows today (it's why I became a big fan of old time radio shows).

@Starscreamsfan This show feels like a lacklustre Retread of 'Batman: Brave and The Bold' (A Show That I Actually enjoyed).

That show had a Light Hearted Tone.... most of the Time. It knew when to give character development and Actually had intimidating Enemies (e.g. Tornado Tyrant or Equinox) from time to time.

I also find it facinating that you Lambast the Art Style of 'The Spectacular Spider-Man', when this show has awkward and Uneven Animation.

This Show is admittedly Better than Teen Titans Go, because it doesn't insult a predecessor Series by treating it with Derogatory Humour.....

But this show Just Feels like A Disposable time Waster.....

I Related More to The DCAU Justice League/ Justice League Unlimited shows. Those didn't feel as Pandering as this.

@EPA Deane I respect your opinion, but I'm just not into some of the more popular stuff.

And I never said the animation in Action was great, but unlike Spectacular, I really enjoy the stories here.

I never could relate to some of the DCAU cartoons, 'cause they kinda bore me and in the case of Superman, I've seen better handled attempts (like in the old radio show and the 50's live-action series).

Yeah, I might have been born in the wrong era, but this is just my opinion.

@Starscreamsfan For the Record.... I Did watch Older Superhero Shows (e.g The 60's Spiderman and Batman Shows) Before I watched my favourite Incarnations.... so saying that I have Initial Viewing Bias is not really going to work here.

There are Elements that I like about some Older Shows, but I Find them frustrating to get through.

On One Last Note: I prefer Eartha Kitt's Catwoman to Julie Newmar's portrayal. Her Comedic Deliveries were more Entertaining to me.

@EPA Deane I'm not saying that you're biased, 'cause I can tell that you've seen some old stuff. I'm just saying that I personally feel out of place, hence why my opinions are different to the norm.

I'm more fond of the older stuff not just because I saw it first (though it's partly that), but because I could see what people like my grandfather liked about them. So yeah, with the old stuff, it's more emotional attachement than anything else.

On that note: I actually liked all three live-action 60's Catwoman actresses. They all brought their own charm and uniqueness to the role.

@Starscreamsfan - I guess a preference in how both of them handle humor or writing is widely subjective. Yes, the writing in the DCAU or Spectacular is comparatively more toned down and serious than Action or, since it was brought up, Brave and the Bold. But I don't think it's completely fair to compete the two types since they're both trying to be vastly different things.

The DCAU and Spectacular were trying to have more mature and grounded stories that take themselves more seriously. However something that sets them apart from other things that try and fail at that (like the Nolan Batman films or Man of Steel) is they know not to take themselves too seriously and that it's safe to have a sense of humor about the inherit silliness of the series here and there (not unlike what the MCU does actually). Just because its humor is more subtle or sometimes deadpan doesn't mean it's lacking in it entirely. That's like saying Ghostbusters has no humor.

Action and Brave and the Bold, conversely, are trying to relish and celebrate in the aforementioned silliness of the world of comic books; BatB I'd say moreso since it's clearly an homage to the Gold and Silver Age of comics. But what made BatB work was that it had a clear self-awareness of the type of stories it was trying to tell. I mean when you see the Justice League play a baseball match against the Legion of Doom, you can tell the writers clearly knew what they were doing. But it also knew when to dial back and be serious or sincere, giving their characters moments to feel human; Chill of the Night being the go-to example of this (not to say it was the only example of it mind you)

Action does seem to be going with a similar route as BatB, and you can't deny it's certainly colorful and action packed. But so far it lacks the slow moments and sincerity that I liked about BatB or that everyone loved about the DCAU and Spectacular. That's not to say it'll be completely devoid of it, I mean the show just started. But right off the bat I can see why people wouldn't be too taken by it.

@HyperVoiceActing I'm just curious, don't mean to get on your case at all as I generally agree with the point you're trying to make, but what's your beef with Nolan's Batman films?

@Metabad
I think maybe just that they lacked comedy elements. Which I didn't mind since it was more realist. And I loved all three movies.

@Metabad - My problem with the Nolan films is that I think for the most part, they took themselves way too seriously to the point of being a little depressing sometimes. Not to mention that a lot of the character dialog doesn't really feel that organic, just the characters making philosophical speeches.

I think, as much as I'll be lambasted for saying this, The Dark Knight was probably the worst with it (I never saw Rises so I can't say if it got better or not), particular with Heath Ledger's Joker. It feels like Goyer took away all the charm and intrigue the character had and turned him into another generic episode of Criminal Minds. Trying to be realistic, in my opinion, isn't a good justification to make a character that's usually so entertaining into something so dull and run-of-the-mill psycho.

@HyperVoiceActing Ditto

I like Nolan's Batman movies, but I felt his extensive use of Hyperrealism may have done a... "slight" disservice to the comic book community; (looking at you Zack Snyder) so while superheroes can be taken seriously, since there are risks and dilemmas when it comes to saving the day, and there are indeed consequences to come with their actions, in the end one must remember these are still fictional characters wearing bright, multicolored outfits who go out using their powers and abilities to help people and fight crazy clowns, talking gorillas, robot aliens, alien robots, and literal gods of mischief.

Bottom line, it's okay for superheroes to be a little silly from time to time, that's part of why we enjoy the genre in comics, movies, and tv in the first place, because it's fun!

@HyperVoiceActing Thank You for Articulating some of my Issues with 'Justice League: Action' better than I did.

Honestly, I was beginning to feel guilty for being a whining Fanboy.

@HyperVoiceActing I dunno, I think (seeing the recent animated features based on classic DC comics, as well as the DCAU) Nolan films & more serious stuff pays an homage to that. TKJ is serious, Arkham is serious, DKR is *super* serious. 2004 Batman cartoon is quite serious, as is Batman Beyond. Batman is *supposed* to be a very serious character, that's what makes the story & moral dilemmas have the kind of weight that they do.

@Troodon2 Comic books are about fun, but the amazing thing about animation is that you can do things that'd be impossible in live-action. The very draw of things like anime is that it *can* be serious. We have tons of detective & action-heavy drama stories in Japanese comics/cartoons, & no one heavy into the stuff complains that "they aren't fun enough". & with the money that Hollywood companies like WB & Disney have, you can do (theoretically) even bigger things. It's just...superhero stories always get people imagining possibilities, you know? I think we *can* take them seriously.

@huzaifa_ahmed - Taking them seriously is one thing, but outright killing any sense of color or fun or excitement is the bigger problem at hand here. The Marvel Cinematic Universe takes itself plenty seriously but it still has a lot of color and fun without ruining those more serious moments. And being animated is no excuse to get rid of that. If anything, being animated also means you have a chance to really go to town with how inherently absurd and larger than life these characters and stories can be.

@huzaifa_ahmed "Comic books are about fun, but the amazing thing about animation is that you can do things that'd be impossible in live-action."

I don't seem to recall saying that I don't think animation is a better media than live-action; I mean I do, particularly with superheroes, in fact being animated whether it be a cartoon or a video game actually helps make the story more engaging and entertaining because indeed you can do things there that you can't in live-action as you said.

That I agree with, but I don't understand how it transitions to your argument on how it makes it more serious.

It's like what Hyper pointed out, you can make something more serious, but if you don't give any proper direction to justify seriousness, it'll just come off as being hollow and non-engaging.

There is a right way and a wrong way to tell a dark superhero story after all, and I for one seen many examples that proved to be the wrong way.

@EPA Deane One thing that annoyed me about the art style of SSM is that the eyes were too lifeless. Sure, they had fluid animation, but the eyes just didn't have any expression.

@EPA Deane The animation of SSM maybe have been more fluid, but the eyes just seemed devoid of life.

@HyperVoiceActing

I honestly thought that was Keith Silverstein. ^^;

@nikipotamus *could

I believe it's Tara playing Satan Girl in the same episode, too. :)

@peroxide That's Ember.

@D.A.V.E. My bad! :)

@HyperVoiceActing

Techincally "Shazam Slam" is the first episode but that hasn't officially aired yet AFAIK. Power Outage, Follow That Space Cab, Nuclear Family Values, Zombie King, Galaxy Jest would be episodes 2-6

@ScottMyers Having seen a few of the recently released clips, I find myself a bit more skeptical than I was before. Some of the humor worked well, but Blue Beetle insisting the villain call him by his superhero name twice was cringe-worthy in my opinion, as was the clip where (Toyman I think?) puts various members of the Justice League in an arcade game. The dancing literally made me wince, and I'm iffy on Khary Payton's voice acting being directed the same way as it is in Teen Titans Go. I would've preferred if he sounded like he did in the original. I find his current take more grating than it needs to be. Also, it's a bit distracting to see Mogul portrayed as a dumb bruiser when he was such a menacing, ominous force in Young Justice. I mean, "you will be in space"? Ugh. And while the animation is still fluid, I noticed a couple of moments that were stiffer than I expected them to be. On the plus side, I was pleasantly surprised that Jason J. Lewis sounds an awful lot like Tim Daly and George Newbern as Superman (though the delivery of his first line in the Mongul clip was on the flat side). And Joker was legitimately funny in his clip, so there's still reason to hope. At this moment in time, though, I'm definitely on the pessimistic side.

@Music Meister Harley Quinn for Dragonball Super. She'll be joining the Z Fighters in their quest to vanquish evil.

@Music Meister - I think in the clip, she was trapped in a field. And I think she's also mind controlled, hence the red eyes.

Also might as well plaster Tara Strong's mug next to her since it's pretty obvious Tara's gonna voice her again

@CLG Damn, I was hoping that was a character that Seitz'd get to play. He's like the dubbing equivalent of John DiMaggio, with his gruff, brutish voice & large, resonant frame.

Dont get me wrong, John is awesome, & I love his work, but I was stoked to see Pat in Conroy's & Strong's recording session photo, & it would be cool to see a follow-up, especially because he's been in like *EVERY* dub in LA, tons of the small fighting games, & plenty of FUNimation dubs.

Whereas John is already Lobo here, & diversifying the cast would make it more..unique per character.

But, not *all* the cast has been announced yet, so..*crossing my fingers*.

@CLG
Wherever Mr.Fennoy93 is, he is happy.

@GreenGoblin75 What for?

@huzaifa_ahmed
http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/tv-shows/young-justice/

If you read one of his comments on this page, you'll get it.

@huzaifa_ahmed Just for the record, John DiMaggio is not Darkseid in this show. Check the top of this page & you'll know who is voicing Darkseid in this show.

@Polyester Funk it's part of Teen Titans Go! the JLA poster was the centerpiece of a giant Cartoon Network wall poster.

http://i.imgur.com/EV4qrp7.jpg

@Foxwolf Ah, I see. It did look out of place.

@huzaifa_ahmed I think it's too early to assume Pat is Grundy, but he's certainly not Swamp Thing since we know Mark Hamill took the role.

@SupremeTarantulas I know what you're getting at, pete, but I find it funny: "8 members short of a Legion". Might as well say "we're not even close to a Legion". ;)

@TylerMirage Well that depends on the roster though. It's actually 9 members short, if you count the good version of Toyman.

@SupremeTarantulas 9 members instead of 8 doesn't really help strengthen your point, though. :)

@TylerMirage I was correcting it, not strengthening it. It's meant as a joke, but actually I goofed, if you leave out Toyman then it's 9 members, if you include him it's 8.

Though there is my point of a different roster.

@SupremeTarantulas He's used in the show as a villain, though.

@SupremeTarantulas You're not really getting my point, but the conversation has kind of run its course now anyway..

@TylerMirage I was just correcting my post though, then added my point in that they don't have to use every Legion member.

Now this topic is closed.

@TylerMirage Well now Captain Cold is added I wish I said this today cause it'd be nearly halfway there.

Oh well, conversation done.

@SupremeTarantulas
And Space Cabbie.

@Troodon2 Don't forget PJ Byrne (Bolin) as Firestorm and John DiMaggio as the Main Man himself, Lobo!

@Regomania Dini's a writer, not an artist, so you can't really get his vibe from any 'look'. As for the Timm factor, you could say the same thing for all the action cartoons that've been superficially copying and watering down his style these past 20+ years, so it doesn't mean all that much anymore.

@Aussieroth I feel bad for Spiner. All of the work he's been part in, both in voice and live-action acting, all the memorable roles he's done. He was Data!

Yet he'll be stigmatized the rest of his life for a small gig he did as the Joker.

@D.A.V.E. I'm pretty certain the amount of Star Trek fans who know him as Data far outweighs the amount of DC fans who know him as Joker, so I wouldn't worry at all about any "stigmatization".

@huzaifa_ahmed About time he gets into more American Animation, and mingles with the cast of the DCAU.