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said at 3:46 PM on Wed Dec 23 2015
Same cast and script writer but the quality between this dub and Eternal Summer is almost like night and day... season 1's dub is significantly better!
Take note FUNimation. Most people don't care about unnecessary rewrites or "western flavor" slang and pop culture references any more. It honestly does more harm than good when it comes to sales. It's like the industry forgets what type of customer they sell to sometimes...
Thank you Crunchyroll for having higher standards!
If fans will refuse to buy because:
- no Blu-ray is offered (wanting better video quality)
- Blu-ray doesn't have lossless audio option
- there are remastering problems (for older shows)
- there are misspelled subtitles
- cover art was screwed up
- certain extras aren't included (e.g. bonus episode)
why should anybody be surprised that some fans will also refuse to buy an anime because of a bad or underwhelming dub (miscast VAs or poor script writing)
It may be a rare case but maybe if the streams get high numbers and the (eventual) Blu-ray release sells well, Crunchyroll will consider producing more dubs for licenses they actually own.
ReplyTake note FUNimation. Most people don't care about unnecessary rewrites or "western flavor" slang and pop culture references any more. It honestly does more harm than good when it comes to sales. It's like the industry forgets what type of customer they sell to sometimes...
Thank you Crunchyroll for having higher standards!
If fans will refuse to buy because:
- no Blu-ray is offered (wanting better video quality)
- Blu-ray doesn't have lossless audio option
- there are remastering problems (for older shows)
- there are misspelled subtitles
- cover art was screwed up
- certain extras aren't included (e.g. bonus episode)
why should anybody be surprised that some fans will also refuse to buy an anime because of a bad or underwhelming dub (miscast VAs or poor script writing)
It may be a rare case but maybe if the streams get high numbers and the (eventual) Blu-ray release sells well, Crunchyroll will consider producing more dubs for licenses they actually own.
said at 5:58 AM on Mon Jan 4 2016
@Omar_Lopez I fail to see why they wouldn't buy it because they dislike the dub. Switching the language is not that hard.
Replysaid at 10:12 AM on Mon Jan 4 2016
@BioZero216
It's also not that hard to illegally download or stream an anime subbed; some people are idiots and don't even know the sites they're visiting/leeching from aren't legal (even with new copyright laws and ISP willing to share IP addresses of customers with high illegal download history the industry is still losing money and the general thief doesn't care or remains undeterred)
Dubs are a major reason for why some fans still bother to buy anime on DVD and Blu-ray. If a dub sucks, there's very little reason to support it because that's what the sale would be paying towards; the dub production costs. The licensing fees are already paid for via LEGAL streaming (e.g. ads and subscription memberships). Fun fact, the cost of a dub is more often than not more expensive than the cost of an entire license.
The only other reason to buy and support a terrible dub is guilty/being an honest person. However I don't expect most teenagers or young adults in their 20s to have much empathy since they're among the heaviest downloaders/streamers and are also usually broke.
Statistics have shown that the average paying customer is usually settled down, has a secure job and has the disposable income to buy things like anime or music even though they're more than capable of getting it for free.
If you can't understand that some people would boycott a dub that's underwhelming here's a simpler example.
If a restaurant spat in your food or you found a gross hair would you still pay for it? Would you be in a good mood?
The customer is always right can be an annoying saying but there is truth to it. So long as any business wants people to pay for their services or goods (and be a lifetime customer) they'll be expected to deliver an acceptable level of quality and have respectable standards.
ReplyIt's also not that hard to illegally download or stream an anime subbed; some people are idiots and don't even know the sites they're visiting/leeching from aren't legal (even with new copyright laws and ISP willing to share IP addresses of customers with high illegal download history the industry is still losing money and the general thief doesn't care or remains undeterred)
Dubs are a major reason for why some fans still bother to buy anime on DVD and Blu-ray. If a dub sucks, there's very little reason to support it because that's what the sale would be paying towards; the dub production costs. The licensing fees are already paid for via LEGAL streaming (e.g. ads and subscription memberships). Fun fact, the cost of a dub is more often than not more expensive than the cost of an entire license.
The only other reason to buy and support a terrible dub is guilty/being an honest person. However I don't expect most teenagers or young adults in their 20s to have much empathy since they're among the heaviest downloaders/streamers and are also usually broke.
Statistics have shown that the average paying customer is usually settled down, has a secure job and has the disposable income to buy things like anime or music even though they're more than capable of getting it for free.
If you can't understand that some people would boycott a dub that's underwhelming here's a simpler example.
If a restaurant spat in your food or you found a gross hair would you still pay for it? Would you be in a good mood?
The customer is always right can be an annoying saying but there is truth to it. So long as any business wants people to pay for their services or goods (and be a lifetime customer) they'll be expected to deliver an acceptable level of quality and have respectable standards.
said at 12:19 PM on Mon Jan 4 2016
@Omar_Lopez However, the money spent on the DVD's also goes to the studio in Japan and supports the industry, which desperately needs help, now more than ever. I buy any anime DVD of a series I like if I can afford it, because I support the my hobby. The money is not just going to the dub, it's going to the licensing company, allowing them to distribute and license more titles, even air them on Toonami.
Replysaid at 1:20 PM on Mon Jan 4 2016
@BioZero216
Hate to break it to you but the money spent on North American or UK DVDs and Blu-rays doesn't impact Japan's industry as heavily as many fans think it does.
When a company like FUNimation pays for a license there's a thing called a minimum guarantee. This means that until FUNimation earns back the entire cost of the license they don't have to pay any additional $ to the Japanese (royalties).
If you've ever looked at a weekly DVD/Blu-ray sales chart you'll see the top 50 or 100 are primarily Hollywood movies and the occasional season box set of a hit TV show. It just shows how little anime DVDs actually sell (it is a niche hobby after all). That's why it's kind of a big deal when something like a Dragon Ball Z or Evangelion rank high on the sales chart. Otherwise the only ways to know the sales numbers for an average anime title is to have a Nielsen Scan membership (which I've heard cost at least 100K)
Going back to the minimum guarantee the chances of recouping the licensing cost in the very first year of sales is very unlikely. These agreements typically last 5-10 years. At the end of the contract the hope is that you've at least broken even and maybe have a bit of profit. Very rarely is there excess profit to splurge on new licenses.
ADV Films spent too much on licenses and brought in little to stay afloat. Geneon would buy licenses for anime that weren't even made yet (with the potential to be hits or bomb).
FUNimation may be the market leader in anime but let's not ignore the power of the Dragon Ball franchise. FUNimation has probably lost a ton of money on several licenses (pretty much anything re-released as a S.A.V.E. edition) yet Dragon Ball's profits offset those losses.
Some titles don't make back their licensing costs. Although they didn't have to pay Japan a single extra dollar, the company has lost money making the license unprofitable for them and unlikely to renew it (in case you're wondering why some long dubbed series were canceled e.g. Case Closed, D.Gray-man)
Let's say a title is profitable and its recouped the licensing costs. Now Japan can get some of that excess profit. Thing is it's only a small cut.
e.g. Say a FUNimation DVD costs $40
Japan maybe gets $10 of that sale.
A series sells let's say 1000 units = $40,000. Japan gets $10,000
Then consider Japanese prices.
$80 for one Blu-ray x 1000 units = $80,000 and they get pretty much all of it.
It's easy to roll eyes when some fans say they import blu-rays from Japan but they're actually helping more buying the more expensive native release; no middle man to take a cut.
To be clear I'm not saying a middle man is bad; for us it means a more affordable collection and sometimes an English dub, but in actually supporting the anime industry, importing from amazon.co.jp contributes a lot more.
Also it's been stated numerous times that nobody tells Toonami what to air. THEY decide what they want to air. Companies like FUNimation can suggest titles (new or old) but the Toonami executives have final say.
ReplyHate to break it to you but the money spent on North American or UK DVDs and Blu-rays doesn't impact Japan's industry as heavily as many fans think it does.
When a company like FUNimation pays for a license there's a thing called a minimum guarantee. This means that until FUNimation earns back the entire cost of the license they don't have to pay any additional $ to the Japanese (royalties).
If you've ever looked at a weekly DVD/Blu-ray sales chart you'll see the top 50 or 100 are primarily Hollywood movies and the occasional season box set of a hit TV show. It just shows how little anime DVDs actually sell (it is a niche hobby after all). That's why it's kind of a big deal when something like a Dragon Ball Z or Evangelion rank high on the sales chart. Otherwise the only ways to know the sales numbers for an average anime title is to have a Nielsen Scan membership (which I've heard cost at least 100K)
Going back to the minimum guarantee the chances of recouping the licensing cost in the very first year of sales is very unlikely. These agreements typically last 5-10 years. At the end of the contract the hope is that you've at least broken even and maybe have a bit of profit. Very rarely is there excess profit to splurge on new licenses.
ADV Films spent too much on licenses and brought in little to stay afloat. Geneon would buy licenses for anime that weren't even made yet (with the potential to be hits or bomb).
FUNimation may be the market leader in anime but let's not ignore the power of the Dragon Ball franchise. FUNimation has probably lost a ton of money on several licenses (pretty much anything re-released as a S.A.V.E. edition) yet Dragon Ball's profits offset those losses.
Some titles don't make back their licensing costs. Although they didn't have to pay Japan a single extra dollar, the company has lost money making the license unprofitable for them and unlikely to renew it (in case you're wondering why some long dubbed series were canceled e.g. Case Closed, D.Gray-man)
Let's say a title is profitable and its recouped the licensing costs. Now Japan can get some of that excess profit. Thing is it's only a small cut.
e.g. Say a FUNimation DVD costs $40
Japan maybe gets $10 of that sale.
A series sells let's say 1000 units = $40,000. Japan gets $10,000
Then consider Japanese prices.
$80 for one Blu-ray x 1000 units = $80,000 and they get pretty much all of it.
It's easy to roll eyes when some fans say they import blu-rays from Japan but they're actually helping more buying the more expensive native release; no middle man to take a cut.
To be clear I'm not saying a middle man is bad; for us it means a more affordable collection and sometimes an English dub, but in actually supporting the anime industry, importing from amazon.co.jp contributes a lot more.
Also it's been stated numerous times that nobody tells Toonami what to air. THEY decide what they want to air. Companies like FUNimation can suggest titles (new or old) but the Toonami executives have final say.
said at 5:39 AM on Mon Nov 6 2017
@Omar_Lopez
Some of what you're saying is true, but not all of them. It's clear enough that Funimation's biggest titles (Fairytail, Dragonball, One Piece) earn more enough, allowing them to run their simuldub program from those funds. Honestly, the main reason why I've even learnt of those simuldub titles' existence is due to Funimation - they helped majorly in promoting the titles to a wider audience.
And yes, while I don't see the Case Closed dub continuing in the near future (or at all), D Gray Man's situation has changed considerably. Many people mistake that the lack of interest from DGM is why Funimation doesn't wanna continue the dub, but it is actually due to licensing issues. Their recently acquired license for Hallow gave them a bigger bargain to license the rest of the first series as well so they can dub the rest of the episodes.
So, in any case, if you ask me, I would say support Funimation and other dubbing companies. Their releases are in dual audio, so even if you don't like the dub, you lose nothing - just flip to the JP track with subs, and that's it.
ReplySome of what you're saying is true, but not all of them. It's clear enough that Funimation's biggest titles (Fairytail, Dragonball, One Piece) earn more enough, allowing them to run their simuldub program from those funds. Honestly, the main reason why I've even learnt of those simuldub titles' existence is due to Funimation - they helped majorly in promoting the titles to a wider audience.
And yes, while I don't see the Case Closed dub continuing in the near future (or at all), D Gray Man's situation has changed considerably. Many people mistake that the lack of interest from DGM is why Funimation doesn't wanna continue the dub, but it is actually due to licensing issues. Their recently acquired license for Hallow gave them a bigger bargain to license the rest of the first series as well so they can dub the rest of the episodes.
So, in any case, if you ask me, I would say support Funimation and other dubbing companies. Their releases are in dual audio, so even if you don't like the dub, you lose nothing - just flip to the JP track with subs, and that's it.
said at 8:43 PM on Sat Jun 27 2015
FUNimation has season 1, while Discotek Media has season 2, are they going to contact the Texas Actors to reprise there roles because I'm assuming that this is being recording at Bang Zoom studio?
Replysaid at 9:40 PM on Sat Jun 27 2015
@dcmarvelanime
Funimation actually has season 2, Discotek has season 1 but technically Crunchyroll has season 1 and Discotek just releases DVDs for some of their licenses. My guess is Crunchyroll is finally deciding to dub season 1 and then stream it on their website and get some new subscriptions from hardcore fans. Maybe a dual-audio Blu-ray release in the future too. Crunchyroll usually doesn't stream dubs but it has happened before like with Holy Knight and Durarara
Apparently Vic Mignogna confirmed he's dubbed season 1 at his panel at Florida Supercon.
It's possible there could be a different English cast at a studio like Bang Zoom (Vic, Johnny and Todd would probably remain the same since they're primarily LA based) but it's possible maybe Crunchyroll is using Chris Sabat's studio Okratron5000; this way they get the satisfaction of not having to play nice with FUNimation directly. The rivalry intensified ever since FUNimation upped their game for the number of simulcasts per season. If Vic wasn't in Texas around that time he probably recorded his lines from home in LA; considering he makes 10s of thousands of dollars per year from convention appearances it's not hard to believe he has his own state of the art home studio.
ReplyFunimation actually has season 2, Discotek has season 1 but technically Crunchyroll has season 1 and Discotek just releases DVDs for some of their licenses. My guess is Crunchyroll is finally deciding to dub season 1 and then stream it on their website and get some new subscriptions from hardcore fans. Maybe a dual-audio Blu-ray release in the future too. Crunchyroll usually doesn't stream dubs but it has happened before like with Holy Knight and Durarara
Apparently Vic Mignogna confirmed he's dubbed season 1 at his panel at Florida Supercon.
It's possible there could be a different English cast at a studio like Bang Zoom (Vic, Johnny and Todd would probably remain the same since they're primarily LA based) but it's possible maybe Crunchyroll is using Chris Sabat's studio Okratron5000; this way they get the satisfaction of not having to play nice with FUNimation directly. The rivalry intensified ever since FUNimation upped their game for the number of simulcasts per season. If Vic wasn't in Texas around that time he probably recorded his lines from home in LA; considering he makes 10s of thousands of dollars per year from convention appearances it's not hard to believe he has his own state of the art home studio.
said at 10:15 AM on Sat Sep 17 2016