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Old 06-19-2018   #1
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Old 07-11-2018   #2
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The last post was kind of information overload, especially given that I was really only bringing it up for one reason:

Okay, actor Daveed Louza has both Slam Dunk and Air Master on his CV, as Aota in Slam Dunk and Roo-Cha in Air Master. Now, here's Roo-Cha from Air Master (clip). Let's reference that against Louza's commercial demo (clip). A clear match-up.

But why would I feel a need to doubt a role he listed on his own resume? Okay, here's a clip of the character Aota from Slam Dunk (clip). A clear non-match-up. Ironically, the second voice is shockingly reminiscent of John Guerrasio's, the actor victim to quite possibly the single biggest miscredit in film/TV history: being miscredited as the title character in the UK dub of the Space Adventure Cobra movie.

So why? Well, here's another clip from Slam Dunk--actually a scene featuring two characters: the un-ID'd actor as Aota and the great Robert Tinkler as his scene partner. Pay close attention to what disgusts Tinkler, the implications and specifics of what Aota is doing, and the misunderstanding that occurs immediately in the clip (clip).

Alright, Aota is actually played by Robert Norman Smith. That Robert Norman Smith. He's credited in the closing scroll (as Rob Smith), and it's a dead match to his Teisel Bonne (clip). Even those Alexander Keith's ads, with the thick accent, contains the same husky voice and very controlled ability to scream, yell and just raise his voice in general (clip).

Okay, so why the mix-up? I find it very hard to believe that Louza didn't record the part at some point. He's not credited in the closing scroll for any of the twenty released episodes, and I never heard his very distinctive voice anywhere--even in the walla, so I don't think it's just a case of having the wrong character name (not really any similar names in the episodes released either). Also, the Air Master and Slam Dunk credits, though just lists of names, appeared to credit every actor to me. Both show's credit scrolls also never change yet credit actors that don't appear until later volumes. In addition, Louza lists the director of Slam Dunk as Rob Kirkpatrick, despite Dan Hennessey being the only one credited for all the released episodes. Again, the cast scroll credits actors from future volumes, so it might not just be a case of Hennessey being the only one credited due to them being too cheap to update the credits.

Remember how I asked you to pay particular attention to certain things in that clip between Smith and Tinkler? Notice how uncomfortable the scene becomes now. Slam Dunk and Air Master almost got TV runs on a Canadian channel called Razer, even after they canceled the DVD releases. I saw someone somewhere (too lazy to look now--quite sure it was a ToonZone thread on the DVDs being canceled) reveal that they checked whatever database and determined that both Slam Dunk and Air Master received Canadian Content credits, so they were likely intended for broadcast from the very beginning. Toei's US offices up to that point were as Cloverway replacing DiC for Sailor Moon S and SuperS, so they were surely aware of the power of Can-Con credits (even if it was just because they inherited a Canadian dub that needed the cast to stay the same).

I'm kind of wondering if Toei wanted to re-record the part following his arrest. Granted, the credits don't specify who plays who, but his voice is very distinctive, and Canadian TV audiences would be very familiar with his hooting and hollering from the beer ads. Those were aired during the Canadian broadcast of at least one Super Bowl and were kind of a big deal. Searching it now, posts online from around the time they aired reveal an audience that was sick of the ads: a sure-sign as any that the ads were at least penetrating the consciousness in a big way. Perhaps Toei just didn't want to risk anything.

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Old 07-14-2018   #3
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I'd hesitate to try to imply Robert Norman Smith's arrest had anything to do with weird voice changes or the demise of this dub. He got charged in February 2006. Razer picked up Air Master for a June 30, 2005 debut that never happened. The channel eventually confirmed it wasn't going to air the series by that August. Presumably, because Toei had already decided the show was a lost cause. Because Toei was putting those shows out on a monthly basis, it's hard to know if what they released on DVD really represents all that was dubbed. I wouldn't be surprised if work was done on more that just never saw the light of day.

I can't actually find any evidence suggesting Razer was going to run Slam Dunk. Just Air Master. It's listed as a cancelled broadcast on Anime News Network's encyclopedia, but the source for that doesn't say it was going to air there.

Also, neither show was submitted to the CRTC for Cancon considerations. They almost certainly would've qualified for a 50% credit, but I guess no one bothered. The CRTC is relatively lenient on when you can submit that, so the paperwork didn't have to be filed in prior to any TV broadcast.
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Because Toei was putting those shows out on a monthly basis, it's hard to know if what they released on DVD really represents all that was dubbed. I wouldn't be surprised if work was done on more that just never saw the light of day.
I was looking up something else, when I stumbled upon the website for Toronto casting director Joanne Boreham. There are some particularly interesting entries on there:

Air Master 27 x 22
Slam Dunk 60 x 22

That doesn't necessarily mean they recorded all of that, but still. There's only ever been 13 Slam Dunk episodes released with the Toronto cast. Air Master got 12 episodes.

I also couldn't help but notice that her image gallery has the key art for Toei's Kanon anime. One has to wonder how far that got into production before the Toei and Geneon divorce.
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I was looking up something else, when I stumbled upon the website for Toronto casting director Joanne Boreham. There are some particularly interesting entries on there:

Air Master 27 x 22
Slam Dunk 60 x 22

That doesn't necessarily mean they recorded all of that, but still. There's only ever been 13 Slam Dunk episodes released with the Toronto cast. Air Master got 12 episodes.

I also couldn't help but notice that her image gallery has the key art for Toei's Kanon anime. One has to wonder how far that got into production before the Toei and Geneon divorce.
Over the years I've learned to never underestimate how much stuff gets dubbed only to never see release, so the whole Daveed Louza could have only dubbed episodes from way later notion plus Jay T. Schramek listing a character who first appears in Episode 61 on his resume could actually mean they dubbed beyond 60 episodes or another casting director stepped in for Boreham at some point.

In any case, all the Tim Hamaguchi James Beach stuff plus Knights of the Zodiac actually had me excited to maybe try giving the Toronto dub of this and/or Air Master's a go.

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...I find it strange that Geneon had anime dubs with its voice-acting that were done in Toronto, with very little media being around the internet, such as Knights of Zodiac, Slam Dunk, Interlude, and Air Master...

I'm surprise that a dubbing for Toei's Kanon possibly exist, but it was never released.

There's something strange surrounding Toei's brand of anime that has a questionable types of dubs...
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Over the years I've learned to never underestimate how much stuff gets dubbed only to never see release, so the whole Daveed Louza could have only dubbed episodes from way later notion plus Jay T. Schramek listing a character who first appears in Episode 61 on his resume could actually mean they dubbed beyond 60 episodes or another casting director stepped in for Boreham at some point.

In any case, all the Tim Hamaguchi James Beach stuff plus Knights of the Zodiac actually had me excited to maybe try giving the Toronto dub of this and/or Air Master's a go.
Air Master's episode total doesn't really surprise me. The show is comparatively short and it did land a TV deal, even if that run never materialized. Slam Dunk, though? I find it hard to believe they did 60 episodes, much less more than that. The anime "only" has 100 episodes. Wouldn't that suggest they probably did the entire series? Slam Dunk got another home video release a few years back and after the episodes Geneon put out, they went sub-only. Now, that distributor isn't known for being the most exhaustive, but still, wouldn't Toei have said something? Then again, Toei ...

If you're interested in checking out these '00s Toronto anime dubs, Interlude is probably the most accessible. It's the only Toei show that got a complete release, as it's only 3 episodes long.

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...I find it strange that Geneon had anime dubs with its voice-acting that were done in Toronto, with very little media being around the internet, such as Knights of Zodiac, Slam Dunk, Interlude, and Air Master...
The lack of info is because most of these dubs never had proper credits. Knights of the Zodiac had a big block of names that was incomplete (which is unfortunately still a thing in a lot of productions done in Montreal and Toronto). From what I've heard, Toei's Geneon discs had no in-show credits for the dub cast. All you got were a few names listed on the DVD case.

Geneon wasn't involved with Knights of the Zodiac. The common thread between those productions, beyond Toei, is a Canadian company called Kaleidoscope Entertainment. They've been involved with nearly every Toronto anime dub that wasn't commissioned by Nelvana. Some of their early dubbing projects included Hello Kitty, Keroppi & Friends and Sailor Moon. The latter is probably how their relationship with Toei started, as their distributor, Cloverway, continued to produce the dub with them after DiC dropped the show. They would later work with DiC again on Knights of the Zodiac.

In the early 2000s, Toei tried opening up their own office and releasing shows in North America themselves. They contracted out the distribution and manufacturing to Geneon. Since Toei presumably had a working relationship with Kaleidoscope through Sailor Moon, I guess they decided to do those first shows in Toronto. Had the discs not sold so poorly, it does seem like Kanon would've been next. I'm not sure Toei's adaptation of that game is ever going to be released again, so we're probably never seeing that dub (assuming it was produced).

Kaledioscope doesn't exist anymore and whatever relationship Toei had in Toronto ended after the mid '00s. Newer Toei USA dubs have been done in Calgary, Los Angeles and Vancouver.
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In any case, all the Tim Hamaguchi James Beach stuff plus Knights of the Zodiac actually had me excited to maybe try giving the Toronto dub of this and/or Air Master's a go.
That'd be amazing. Slam Dunk is one of the biggest classic shonen we just don't have on here. I've been hoping it could finally be added for a long time, but I have so many other things that need my attention I've never been able to do it myself.

I'm really glad and think it's really funny that KOTZ's crummy old dub ended up being good for a ton of things.
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Hanamichi Sakuragi
ROBERT TINKLER
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Source: Credited without role in closing credits; vocal similarity


Haruko Akagi
MARTHA MacISAAC
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Source: Credited without role in closing credits; vocal similarity


Takenori Akagi
MARTIN ROACH
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Source: Credited without role in closing credits; vocal similarity
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Default Recurring Roles: Part 1


Kaede Rukawa
SCOTT McCORD
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Source: Credited without role in closing credits; vocal similarity


Kiminobu Kogure
CHRISTOPHER RALPH*
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Source: Credited without role in closing credits; actor's official website


Ryouta Miyagi
TIM HAMAGUCHI
Source: Credited without role in closing credits; vocal similarity**


Hisashi Mitsui
Ryotaro Okiayu***


Ayako
CAITRIONA MURPHY
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More coming soon! Finishing up clips and images...

*No BtVA profile

**Character first appears in episode 20. I used to own this volume (volume 4) of the Toei/Geneon release but don't anymore (this wasn't that long ago) [I only bought them about two years ago max and got rid of them last May/June], and Crunchyroll for some silly reason only has the first fourteen episodes. I remember that it was Hamaguchi though, as I was kind of annoyed to see him double-cast. You see, Hamaguchi already plays Hanamichi's bully buddy Yuji Ookusu, and Ryouta first appears in a scene with Hanamichi's buddies. In fact, the image I took for Ryouta is from a shot in which he attacks Ookusu after the latter mocks him. For a dub that I generally like as much as I do, I was irritated that they just cast Hamaguchi and not even really doing a different voice.

P.S. I've been wondering if Hamaguchi was a staff member at Kaleidoscope or something. He tends to pop up a lot in these dubs, especially the walla group and is actually credited as the translator for Slam Dunk, Air Master, and Interlude.

***Character doesn't first appear until episode 51, so while he quite possibly got a Toronto VA (note that there is also an Animax dub of most of the series), it did not see release.
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