Gargoyle
Nadia Nadia

Gargoyle

Comparision of the voice over actors who have been the voice of Gargoyle with sound clips and images.
Franchise: Nadia


Created by Pokejedservo on Nov 5 2009
Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water (1992)
GargoyleDavid Frank Jones
David Frank Jones
Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water (1992)
GargoyleSteve Bulen
Steve Bulen

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HylianBelmont
said at 12:09 PM on Mon Mar 26 2018
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Steve Bulen nails it.

David Jones... is okay I guess. But not anywhere near as fun to listen to, IMO.
GreenGoblin75
said at 3:06 PM on Mon Mar 26 2018
@HylianBelmont
"Now humanity will worship us as gods, for we have unleashed the fires of heaven!!! AND THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT IS AT HAND!!!!"
JTurner
said at 6:41 PM on Mon Mar 26 2018
I don't really think that over-the-top approach works well for Gargoyle, honestly. There was something about the way Jones delivered that version that sounded far more chilling and intimidating. If Bulen was voicing a different character I could see it working, but for some reason it didn't work for me.
HylianBelmont
said at 5:33 AM on Fri Mar 30 2018
@JTurner Fair enough. Admittedly I don't think Steven Bulen overacts that much either, however.
Galactic_Cyrus
said at 9:30 AM on Fri Apr 6 2018
@JTurner Going by how his original Japanese voice performed the role, Gargoyle should have some passion behind his lines, and Jones just didn't have that. I didn't get "chilling and intimidating" out of Jones' take, I got "he sounds like a Ben Stein impersonator."
Galactic_Cyrus
said at 9:35 AM on Fri Apr 6 2018
@HylianBelmont Overacting is at least better than barely voice acting, which is what Jones was doing there. He's barely got a VA resume for a reason.
HylianBelmont
said at 9:39 AM on Fri Apr 6 2018
@Galactic_Cyrus Yeah, that's a fair point.
JTurner
said at 10:54 AM on Fri Apr 6 2018
@Galactic_Cyrus For me I don't evaluate dubs based on how it compares to the Japanese voice acting. I evaluate it on its own terms. Gargoyle, as I said, took the longest time for me to get used to, and once I did, then it clicked with me. Because I had seen the ADV version first, and had heard a lot of bad things about the Streamline dub of "Nadia" I was suspect about it actually being any good.

Gargoyle is less deadpan in Streamline's dub, I agree. But I personally felt Bulen played him too much like a stereotypical cartoon villain, and Gargoyle isn't like that. As I said, Jones grew on me. If you want to hear Jones doing a role less deadpan, check out his turn as the Demon King in PETITE PRINCESS YUCIE. He's lively there.

Gargoyle aside, I had other problems with the Streamline dub. The sound quality wasn't very good, and there are obvious instances where an English voiceover is narrating over a line with Japanese. Furthermore, I found the voices of the leads miscast. ADV did the right approach with casting actual kids to do the leads, and all three are more convincing than their Streamline counterparts. The Grandis gang roughly ties, and Electra isn't too bad, but I just liked their ADV counterparts more. Given that Nemo and Gargoyle's VAs in the Streamline dub barely got any farther than eight episodes, I probably would not be able to know how either of them would have stepped it up at the end, but to me, Lunning and Jones started off stiff but improved.

So sorry, but while I see the Streamline dub has its points, I'm sticking with the ADV dub, while it's not perfect, it at least, IMO, approaches the show fairly appropriately. To me Streamline seemed to take it like a cartoon.

As for Jones "barely acting", well, we'll have to agree to disagree on that.
Galactic_Cyrus
said at 9:27 PM on Sat Apr 7 2018
@JTurner No one's saying the ADV dub isn't, for the most part, superior. Only that this is one role where the Streamline dub actually had a more fitting voice and better performance (Jeff Winkless' Captain Nemo being the only other one).
JTurner
said at 11:30 AM on Mon Mar 26 2018
 1 Shout Out!
When I first heard David Jones' surprisingly casual, deadpan voice from Gargoyle, I was a little unsure about what they were going for, but it was only after about several episodes that I got accustomed to him, and I felt he really stepped it up in the climax, with his evil laughing.

Steve Bulen could have been decent, but he overacts the character, making him sound too cartoonishly villainous, and Gargoyle isn't supposed to be like that. Even if Jones is more subdued than either Bulen or Kiyokawa, I found his performance works in his own right. So sorry, but I prefer Jones.
8000 Saiyans
said at 1:35 AM on Wed Mar 28 2018
@JTurner Really? He is more true to the character than Jones.
JTurner
said at 10:34 AM on Wed Mar 28 2018
@8000 Saiyans To me it's not a question as to whether the English VA is more "true" to the Japanese version. It's a matter of how the English VA comes across effectively. Context is important.

If Gargoyle were portrayed as an over-the-top, villainous, raging supervillain then I would have agreed with Bulen's take on the character. But when I watched the show in its entirety, I saw that Gargoyle isn't really like that. Considering who he turns out to be in the end, I don't think it works well to have him have an over-the-top voice. He still needs to have an edge of humanity, and he's not your typical villain. To me "Nadia" doesn't really work if it is played totally like a cartoon. Despite some "Cartoonish" moments, the show is really grounded in seriousness, and the ADV crew, in my opinion, took it very seriously, as evidenced with the superb casting of the leads and the Grandis gang. The problem I have with Streamline's take is that they treat it like a cartoon, as a lot of the delivery from what I've heard sounded exaggerated. And Gargoyle, even at his peak, isn't an exaggerated villain. To me, Jones just brought that edge of humanity to the character. Bulen doesn't do that, but instead portrays him as a straightforward villain, and that's not who Gargoyle is. That and the voice he uses sounds artificial. Jones' baritone doesn't have any tinkering to it, and I felt the casual deadpan tone worked well for who I saw the character as.

I did see a bit of the Japanese VA, but I don't think Motomu Kiyokawa is necessarily better or worse -- only different. He does play him a bit more ruthlessly, but not to the cartoonish degree that I felt Bulen did. I don't remember him overacting. To me Bulen's sudden shouting as he threatens to shoot Marie doesn't really work -- I felt it killed the tension. Secondly, Jones isn't reserved all the time. When he addresses the crowd of soldiers in episode 7 about Neo Atlantis, I found him to be very charismatic and dripping with a "I look down on everyone" attitude. Furthermore, when he states "It is glorious! They will kneel in fear to our authority!" he did sound menacing to me in a way that wasn't so cartoonish, but made him chillingly authentic. Based on how I've seen Gargoyle, I don't think Bulen's over-the-top approach to that really works.

It's all just my opinion of course, and you're welcome to disagree with it, but to me, Bulen just isn't Gargoyle as I see him. Jones took a while for me to get used to, but once I did I became accustomed to it and I can't imagine anyone else portraying this character.
8000 Saiyans
said at 12:25 PM on Sun Mar 18 2018
 3 Shout Outs!
Steve is much better.
Boss_Giovanni
said at 10:49 AM on Fri Mar 16 2018
 3 Shout Outs!
How the heck did David Frank Jones even get as high as he did on the poll? When a character like this wears a static mask, there should be SOME emotion put into the performance in order to make him interesting. David Frank Jones' wooden delivery makes him boring, whereas Steve Bulen's Frollo-like voice makes him really fun to watch.
EPA Deane
said at 1:24 PM on Fri Mar 16 2018
@Boss_Giovanni Because His Callous, Deadpan Approach is More True to the Character.
Boss_Giovanni
said at 7:26 AM on Sat Mar 17 2018
@EPA Deane Except no, it's not. I just listened to Motomu Kiyokawa, and he is actually much more like Bulen than Jones - both Bulen and Kiyokawa can sound calm and callous, but there is still emotion there, notably a theatrical brand of sadism and enjoyment of doing evil. More importantly, when they need to sound emotional (like when Gargoyle is angry, or when he's DYING), they do so, whereas Jones keeps the monotone up even in those scenes. There's being deliberately, eerily deadpan, and then there's being wooden, and Jones falls under the latter, IMHO.
EPA Deane
said at 5:45 AM on Sun Mar 18 2018
@Boss_Giovanni Well I always felt that both Kiyokawa and Bulen were too Melodramatic in the part for my perception of the character.

One of the other reasons I prefer Jones' take is that it reminds me of John Noble's Brainiac voice.
HylianBelmont
said at 12:08 PM on Mon Mar 26 2018
@Boss_Giovanni Agreed.
JTurner
said at 6:35 PM on Mon Mar 26 2018
@EPA Deane I'm on EPA Deane's side here. Steve Bulen's voice might be appropriate for a Saturday morning cartoon supervillain, but Gargoyle isn't like that. To me Jones brought out a chilling quality that I felt was very lacking from Bulen. Considering who his character is supposed to be, I felt that the voice Bulen uses doesn't really work for him. Gargoyle's supposed to be a serious villain, not a "fun" villain.
Boss_Giovanni
said at 9:20 AM on Fri Apr 6 2018
I don't find Gargoyle "fun", per se, but the guy wears what looks like a sad clown mask, dresses like a Klan member, and has the name "Gargoyle". There is no way I can take that completely seriously. And while it's all a matter of opinion, that's always been my opinion when it comes to characters who wear inexpressive masks: there has to be a significant amount of inflection in their voice (think Zero from "Code Geass"), otherwise I'm gonna be bored.
Boss_Giovanni
said at 9:21 AM on Fri Apr 6 2018
Although, really, forget Steve Bulen: Steve BLUM should've gotten this role. http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/tv-shows/The-Legend-of-Korra/Amon-Noatak/
Galactic_Cyrus
said at 9:22 AM on Fri Mar 16 2018
 4 Shout Outs!
Steve Bulen wins for his Shere Khan/Judge Frollo-eque take on the character. David sounds inconsistent in that clip - like one minute he's doing a cold, sinister Eric Roberts type of voice but then he seems to be kind of sleepwalking through the role and sounding like Ben Stein. Allegedly he gets better after a while but this clip does him no favors.
Boss_Giovanni
said at 9:48 AM on Fri Mar 16 2018
@Galactic_Cyrus: "He gets better" isn't much of a compliment, because even his improvement is still really BORING. He never holds a candle to Steve Bulen.
JTurner
said at 6:39 PM on Mon Mar 26 2018
@Galactic_Cyrus
@Boss_Giovanni

Debatable. While Jones may have sounded like he was trying to determine HOW he wanted Gargoyle to sound like at the beginning of his performance, to me I felt he became far less stiff as the show went on. He shined at the scene where he gives the speech about the Tower of Babel to the crowds later on in episode 7. He sounded very charismatic and condescending there. And by the end of the show either I had gotten accustomed to him or he stepped it up, but I disagree that he was boring. His evil laugh toward the end was spot-on. I will admit that at first I wasn't initially sold on Jones at first, but I warmed up to him. Which is probably why I found Bulen to be the least satisfactory of the two.
Galactic_Cyrus
said at 9:32 AM on Fri Apr 6 2018
@JTurner I do agree he stepped it up towards the end, but I agree with Boss Giovanni that even Jones at his best doesn't quite match up to the sheer presence and passion that Bulen had in the role.
whyofbladez
said at 11:33 PM on Sat Dec 9 2017
 2 Shout Outs!
Steve Bulen really sounds like Tony Jay here, but his voice also sounds like it was probably artificially deepened.

I like both of them, but I'll give this one to David - he gives a smooth but cold delivery.
EPA Deane
said at 7:27 AM on Mon Oct 31 2016
 2 Shout Outs!
David Jones' more subdued and Intellectual voice was one that I freely admit not caring for when I first listen to the dub. After reflecting on several plot developments near the end of the show (and reviewing all of his appearances), I can't praise it enough now. There's a sinister subtlety in Jones' delivery (balancing a cold authoritarian streak and a vicious, genocidal madness within), that is commendably unnerving.

I feel Steve Bulen's performance would be more fitting for a self-aggrandizing Comic Book Villain (e.g. Doctor Doom or Apocalypse)

David Jones earns my vote.
JTurner
said at 11:29 AM on Mon Nov 7 2016
@EPA Deane Jones took me awhile to get accustomed to as well. It wasn't until roughly about midway through the show that I got accustomed to him, and by the finale I thought he really got into it. Likewise with Ev Lunning as Nemo.
GreenGoblin75
said at 2:39 PM on Fri Jun 24 2016
Revisiting this compare, I can kinda see where DFJ was going and I think he does a good job. Still prefer Steve Bulen, because that warped Shere Khan turned crazy religious acolyte is just too cool.
GreenGoblin75
said at 1:25 PM on Thu Jun 2 2016
 2 Shout Outs!
I prefer Steve Bulen. DFJ sounds a little bland.
JTurner
said at 10:55 AM on Sun Jun 5 2016
@GreenGoblin75 David Jones got a lot better as he went along IMO; when I first heard his voice in the dub I wasn't sure what the directors had in mind for him, but by episode 20 I had gotten accustomed to it, and I felt he really got great at the final episodes (38 and 39); the cackling I heard from him there made me swear that it wasn't the same Jones.
JTurner
said at 11:25 PM on Thu Aug 6 2015
 1 Shout Out!
Looks like both David and Steve tie in the polls. Interesting.
PsychicVoiceSpy
said at 5:30 PM on Wed Aug 27 2014
 4 Shout Outs!
I've never seen this show before, but I have to say, Steve Bulen's voice here reminds me a lot of George Sanders and to a lesser extent Tony Jay. His voice gives me a warped Shere Khan vibe, it's really cool.
Fulgore2005
said at 11:01 AM on Thu May 2 2013
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David Frank Jones' deadpan voices really works for Gargoyle. For me, the voice gives him more of an intimidating villain feel as well as some charisma to it.
JTurner
said at 11:45 PM on Sat Jun 8 2013
@Fulgore2005 Jones actually took the longest time for me to warm up to, not because I thought he was bad, but because he didn't sound exactly what I would expect for a badguy wearing a mask. But as the show went on and his identity became more clear, I began to realize what Jones was going for, and today I find it hard to listen to anybody else except Jones in the role. Steve Bulen isn't BAD, per say, but he does play Gargoyle too stereotypical as a villain.
Metabad
said at 2:57 PM on Sun Feb 10 2013
 8 Shout Outs!
...Is it just me or do both Steve Bulen and David Jones look like the same person?

Or at least really similar.
MaryKosmos
said at 9:23 PM on Thu Jul 19 2012
Curious. What's the sound in the background supposed to be?
Fulgore2005
said at 5:22 AM on Fri Jul 20 2012
@MaryKosmos To me, it sounds like a child is whimpering/crying.
MaryKosmos
said at 4:05 PM on Fri Jul 20 2012
@Fulgore2005 Maybe... If only I knew which episode that clip came from...
JTurner
said at 11:24 AM on Sat Sep 8 2012
@MaryKosmos It's probably from episode 7, the scene where Gargoyle threatens to shoot Marie and King should Nadia continue to refuse revealing the Blue Water (she finally does under the pressure).
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