Catherine

Catherine
Voice Director: Valerie Arem

US Release: Jul 26, 2011
Japan Release: Feb 17, 2011
Europe Release: Feb 10, 2012

Game Developer: Atlus

Popularity: 53rd All Time, 37th This Week

Characters on BTVA: 32
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Soul-dragon
said at 12:24 PM on Wed Dec 20 2017
I wonder who Atlus is going to get to voice Vincent and Catherine in the remake now that Troy and Laura are to cool for anime now? I'd pick Xander Mobus and Natalie Lander myself, but we'll see what happens. I just hope that they don't pull an Ashly Burch here because it's been proven about twice now that putting her in Laura's roles doesn't work.
NCZ (Admin)
said at 12:41 PM on Wed Dec 20 2017
@Soul-dragon

They might as well not even bother dubbing it if they can't get them back.
Soul-dragon
said at 1:49 PM on Wed Dec 20 2017
@NCZ Why do you say that?
Abdullab
said at 2:10 PM on Wed Dec 20 2017
@Soul-dragon He means that there is no point to dub the game if troy and laura are not coming back anyway and also the fact that these characters were definetly some of troy and laura`s iconic roles in gaming is a huge factor.
Soul-dragon
said at 2:24 PM on Wed Dec 20 2017
@Abdullab Yes I get that but I still think that it should get dubbed nonetheless. There are some people who don't want to play the game subtitled because that's for 'weebs' and I see no reason not to. Sure Laura and Troy can't return and I'm not sure if Liam and Travis will either but Erin, Yuri and Michelle are still there and I see no reason why they wouldn't return. Granted it's going to suck not having the original VAs for Catherine and Vincent (and Johny and Orlando?) but at the end of the day you can't just leave something unfinished if you have two (or four) missing pieces. That being said good replacements can be found, Atlus just needs to find people who can do good original takes. And recycling audio won't work either due to the new endings anyways. I guess we'll have to wait and see... and on an unrelated not it is pretty funny how the only (original) reprising VA count matches Persona 4's.
NCZ (Admin)
said at 2:56 PM on Wed Dec 20 2017
@Soul-dragon

Changing the VAs would pretty much change the entire game. Vincent is the core of the game. Everything in the game revolves around how he interacts with them. The triangle with him, Katherine and Catherine, the camaraderie with his friends at Stray Sheep...

Catherine is the kind of game that centres around that camaraderie. Even though all the VAs recorded separately, Troy, Liam, Travis, and Yuri are all close friends in real life. The banter they have in-game is extremely natural, and on a meta level their closeness in real life makes it feel even more authentic. Likewise with Laura. Troy has said that she's like his little sister. Obviously that's kind of awkward considering their relationship here, but having actors with good chemistry is absolutely critical to an ensemble piece. On top of that, PCB's casting process was positively lightning in a bottle here. Catherine is one of the best dubs they have ever produced, simply because each actor chosen for every character was absolutely spot-on.

Now, say that Troy, Laura, Travis, and Liam are all gone. There's half the chemistry of the game out the window. When you have a one-off game like this that depended so heavily on having the absolute perfect storm of actors who both played well together, while being perfect fits for their characters, the thought of losing that, telling them they're replaceable while keeping the other half as though nothing happened, in the process unfairly holding the replacement actors to a higher level of scrutiny than they would otherwise, just puts a really bad taste in my mouth.

All that's before getting into how in my opinion, Vincent and Catherine are two of the best, most definitive roles of Troy Baker and Laura Bailey's careers, and a perfect summary of why they are so good as actors. It'd be like doing a Jim Carrey sequel without Jim Carrey. It would be fundamentally missing the point of what made the original work.
Soul-dragon
said at 4:13 PM on Wed Dec 20 2017
@NCZ I guess that does make some since all things considered. It is a huge bummer and the chemistry that Laura and Troy had was amazing but it's like they always say "the show must go on." Of course there is a slight chance that Laura may return, but theres no way on earth they'll be able to get Troy. He's in to many big projects. And chance's are that there going to do what they did with Persona 4 and move on regardless. But I do agree that it won't be the same (even though I've never played the game even once). If the Warriors (cats) series can continue going after killing off the main protagonist and still be a success and if House of Cards can completely kill off Kevin Spacey's character, I see no reason this can't work either without the leads! However it does suck, I will agree with you on that. It's times like this that make me wonder why VAs even need to do MOCAP in the first place. Don't they realize that animation is a thing?
NCZ (Admin)
said at 4:21 PM on Wed Dec 20 2017
@Soul-dragon

Motion capture isn't a way around having to animate. It is acting. The use of it allows for a level of chemistry, depth, interaction, and quality of performance that takes the acting process closer to theatre or film.
Soul-dragon
said at 7:30 AM on Thu Dec 21 2017
@NCZ I guess...but why not put them in the same booth? And how do they transfer it onto a screen?
Shaun Ince
said at 2:26 PM on Thu Dec 21 2017
@Soul-dragon I think you might have missed his point completely. Also what does Motion capture have to do with this game? It doesn't add up. Games like Catherine & games reliant on Motion capture are two different beasts entirely.
Shaun Ince
said at 2:36 PM on Thu Dec 21 2017
@NCZ I definitely have to agree with you there. The voice actors in Catherine all had great chemistry between each other. Replacing them is going to throw the whole thing off. Not to mention, it's going to be pretty jarring to anyone that was a fan of Troy Baker & Laura Bailey in those roles.
Soul-dragon
said at 3:31 PM on Thu Dec 21 2017
@Shaun Ince I meant that they couldn't do this game because they were to busy with MOCAP roles (I know that's going to be the deal with Laura).
Soul-dragon
said at 3:39 PM on Thu Dec 21 2017
@Shaun Ince I will admit that it's definitely going to be very perturbing. Things are going to be thrown off by a lot due to the two leads not being able to return as well as the chemistry that the old cast had because they were friends IRL. But in the end there's nothing we can do.
ScraftyIsTheBest
said at 9:39 PM on Thu Dec 21 2017
@Soul-dragon

Motion capture works in a way where actors wear a special suit with dot-like sensors placed all over their body, and they do several movements with their body to do a performance. The actors execute their performances in a way that is similar to on-camera work: they not only do the script, but also several movements and actions that will effectively define their character's actions. Most mocap booths have several cameras that record the locales of the dots on the mocap suits, and they proceed to build the animation around the movements of the dots. It's a pretty intensive process and actors who do it effectively do full-blown performances akin to live-action or on-stage performances. Movies have done this before, such as with Andy Serkis and Gollum, as well as the Na'vi in Avatar, in which their movements and animations were captured by actual actors executing the movements. It's a way of capturing an actor's performance and it enhances their performance since everything from their movements to their facial expressions and emotiveness is captured effectively and integrated into their characters on the screen.
MizukaS
said at 10:15 AM on Sat Dec 23 2017
Atlus should make the Catherine remake a union dub to increase Troy and Laura's chances of returning. That way, they wouldn't have to jump through as many hoops to come back. We'll see how this goes.
NCZ (Admin)
said at 10:24 AM on Sat Dec 23 2017
@MizukaS

I mean unionizing wouldn't hurt (though the disconnect between Atlus USA and the stingy Atlus Japan probably makes it unlikely), but it's not quite as simple as that when Troy has dropped/turned down union roles too. Whatever the case the dub is probably over a year and a half off at this point so at least there's time.
Marakutanay
said at 4:46 PM on Sun Dec 24 2017
@NCZ We'll probably know if Liam and Travis are willing to reprise in these kind of games if they have the time when we get P3 dancing in late 2018 most likely.
NCZ (Admin)
said at 5:14 PM on Sun Dec 24 2017
@Marakutanay

They were just in Sonic Forces and that's non-union so I'm not as worried about them. Liam has usually been pretty good and the last year or two was mainly due to a family emergency. Travis is basically a coinflip depending on if he has any mocap roles or other big commitments in the pipeline.
Marakutanay
said at 5:34 PM on Sun Dec 24 2017
@NCZ Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't a Sonic and Studiopolis dub be in a "higher level" in terms of payment, schedule, etc than your average non-union PCB/Cup of tea dub? Again, I might be speaking nonsense but I was always under the impression that Studiopolis > any other LA studio. That may be why they are more willing to do non union work there.
NCZ (Admin)
said at 7:09 PM on Sun Dec 24 2017
@Marakutanay

I don't know too much about Studiopolis's rates (for the client and how much they pay the actor). If I had to say one thing, I think both them and PCB are in relatively similar tiers while Cup of Tea is less expensive and Bang Zoom is the least, but that's total darkshooting on my part. But coming back to PCB, Liam and Travis have very good personal and professional relationships with the people in charge (Troy and Laura too while we're at it) so as far as clout goes I think they're in similar ballparks.

The ticket with non-union work in general is that there's pretty much no minimum accepted rate that actors get paid per hour, so it's up to the employer's discretion. Whereas union work ensures an industry-wide standard. So each studio probably does pay differently when it comes to non-union work but that might not always be the whole story.

For these two specifically, Travis has *mostly* stopped taking non-union roles in the past 3 years (with the exception of FE: Fates), but he has returned to older roles whenever possible. For example he was in FE Heroes, but not Echoes because they were recorded at separate times. And Liam was fairly upfront about the fact that he was temporarily choosing not to prioritize non-union work because he wanted to support his family, but him being in Sonic Forces + it having been 2 or so years since then is at least a potential indication that nowadays he can make it work a bit more.
MizukaS
said at 7:39 PM on Sun Dec 24 2017
@Soul-dragon
If recasts are inevitable, wouldn't Matt Mercer and Alexis Tipton be more ideal choices to fill in for Troy and Laura's roles?
Nachos
said at 8:14 PM on Sun Dec 24 2017
@NCZ Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there were any roles in Echoes for Willingham to reprise. It's possible that Cup of Tea/8-4 just didn't think he fit any of the roles.
NCZ (Admin)
said at 8:20 PM on Sun Dec 24 2017
@Nachos

Zeke. He was replaced by Patrick Seitz.

@MizukaS

Ehhh... As far as Troy roles go I don't think Vincent is one that plays the most to Matt's strengths. I think that's one of the roles I'd probably most draw a line in the sand and say most has Troy written all over it.

PCB probably wouldn't cast Alexis either (unless she starts working with them more in the next year) and I think her voice tends to be a bit "haughty" whereas Laura went for the more cutesy babytalk succubus approach which I thought was the way to go.
MizukaS
said at 8:45 PM on Sun Dec 24 2017
@NCZ
The original Eng VAs are undoubtedly the best, no question about it. Yeah, let's see what Atlus has in store for us for the remake.
Nachos
said at 8:50 PM on Sun Dec 24 2017
@NCZ Oh, yeah, you're right. I never got into Heroes, so I didn't even know that Zeke had made multiple appearances.

And I completely agree on Troy being much better attuned to Vincent. Even though they're the closest voice-wise, Mercer just has this theatrical quality to all his performances that I've never heard him turn completely off. It makes him really well-suited to fantasy games and the like, but a little less so to more grounded roles. If Mercer does end up with the role, I'm sure he'll be fine, and it won't be the end of the world. But I can't shake the sense that it'll be a step down, in no part due to him, either. Were Atlus forced to recast Vincent, I'd honestly like to see someone you don't usually/ever see doing Japanese dubs take a crack at it, especially since PCB does so much more than just dubbing.
NCZ (Admin)
said at 9:05 PM on Sun Dec 24 2017
@Nachos

Yeah, it's part of why, bless his soul, I wouldn't say I want Matt taking EVERY one of Troy's roles. Him taking over in Cold Steel made sense and can kind of be handwaved because the character took on a new persona in that game anyway. Him as Sigma I was bummed by but he did a fine enough job (+ Troy, to be frank, didn't have a lot to do with the role) that it wasn't the end of the world. Hell if we wanted to talk hypothetical I could see Matt as Ocelot since his McCree is basically the exact same thing.

That being said, Troy's strengths as an actor are such that there are some roles I think he's irreplaceable in. Snow, Yuri Lowell, Joel, Sam, and yes, Vincent are the big ones for me. Kanji would be up there but that's water under the bridge.

And then on the flipside Matt's strengths are different from Troy's. His voice is smoother and I think you describing it as "theatrical" is a good way to put it. Troy as Luke, Leon, Fei Long, Cor, Tygra, Edge Goddamn Maverick, Yusuke, I couldn't see. I've said it before but I just don't think no two actors are perfectly 1:1 and it's always important to go on a role-by-role basis. I just don't think it's fair to either one of them to be thought of as simply replacements for the other, rather than as exceptional actors in their own right. I think something like that is what I was trying to say a long time ago but I pretty much fudged it in the worst possible way.
Soul-dragon
said at 12:29 PM on Tue Dec 19 2017
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Tell me I'm not the only one who finds it amusing that Miyuki Sawashiro's role in this game is a killer who murders only men who she has a thing for and abuses them if they try to leave her? Do any of you who know what other character I'm thinking of...
Abdullab
said at 10:23 AM on Mon Jun 5 2017
U can also call this game Chi-chi as laura bailey and michelle ruff have voiced the character and like her are determined to take control of their spouses lives
huzaifa_ahmed
said at 5:33 PM on Mon Jun 6 2016
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Aside from perhaps Kirk & Travis, this has got to be one of the most timbre-accurate dubs PCB has ever made (oh, &it's very well-acted, as well). Props.
HylianBelmont
said at 9:24 AM on Tue Dec 27 2016
@huzaifa_ahmed I always liked Kirk more than Wakamoto as Boss honestly. Because Kirk's voice just works more for the character to me.
huzaifa_ahmed
said at 10:34 AM on Tue Dec 27 2016
@HylianBelmont I think Kirk works well with the more "pathetic" villain that Boss is, although the more intimidating scenes didnt come off as well. Also, I no longer agree with the things implied in my previous comment. Voice is a supplemental aspect to casting, not the only or primary thing. The original VAs came up with voices on their own, & while a good dub should attempt for consistency, prioritizing voice over acting is missing forest for trees. I still enjoy cataloguing & organizing the sounds of voices, including &/or especially foreign voices.
HylianBelmont
said at 10:49 AM on Tue Dec 27 2016
@huzaifa_ahmed Fair enough I suppose!
Dee15gon
said at 5:26 PM on Sun Mar 29 2015
 7 Shout Outs!
Japanese Katherine is Sailor Moon.
English Katherine is Luna.
TaylorHyuuga
said at 5:49 PM on Sat Apr 9 2016
@Dee15gon Funnily enough, English Catherine ALSO voiced a Luna.
PersonaFan007
said at 6:49 PM on Fri Aug 5 2016
@Dee15gon @TaylorHyuuga Jonny is Lon'Qu from Fire Emblem Awakening in both languages.
Silent Dirge
said at 1:08 AM on Thu Mar 12 2015
 1 Shout Out!
I love this game so much! >w
Jared Delgado
said at 6:40 PM on Fri Oct 17 2014
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This is probably one of the most bizarre video games I've ever seen.
TheAdapter
said at 9:25 PM on Mon Jun 6 2016
@Jared Delgado bizarre is an understatement.
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5th Annual BTVA Anime Dub Awards 2016
Fave Character
Who's your favorite character?
Catherine
39.1% (9 votes)
Vincent Brooks
21.7% (5 votes)
Orlando Haddick
8.7% (2 votes)
Katherine McBride
8.7% (2 votes)
Erica Anderson
4.3% (1 vote)
Toby Nebbins
4.3% (1 vote)
Trisha
4.3% (1 vote)
Johnny Ariga
4.3% (1 vote)
Jonny Ariga
4.3% (1 vote)
23 Total Votes