Young Justice

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@pete *as well as

@Mrguy22594 1. Way to spoil the episode for everyone, genius. Crap like this makes me wish mods were able to delete and report users for these type of comments.

2. The writers can't do anything and it's not their job to do so. They could lose their jobs and they've got families to feed.

3. Yeah, I know.

@D.A.V.E. I gave a spoiler warning before I said what I said. 2. You do have a point about that but I was just so enraged at how lazy this ending was. But then again at least it wasn't Mass Effect 3.

@Mrguy22594 The script and episode were probably written before it was canceled blame CN.

@pete I do blame Cartoon Network for making poor decisions on keeping viewers on their channel ever since Teen Titans cancelled. That show had an entire sixth season planned.

@Mrguy22594 I'm guessing that would have resolved the Terra arc?

@pete Yes it really would've and that would actually give us the resolution we as loyal viewers deserve. Since CN canned this series I was enraged with how plain lazy it was, as a season finale not too bad, but as a series finale I think What the hell!?

@Mrguy22594 to be fair, it's hard to avoid a spoiler alert when you put them in both in CAPS.

@Foxwolf If I said spoiler alert in the comment that means if you don't wish to be spoiled stop reading the comment. I feel like people will only be intrigued by all capital letters these days.

@Mrguy22594 Trigon would have been a good series finale. The movie was a good follow up and Brotherhood Of Evil was good but CN ruined it all afterwards.

@VctrBnsn They were already designs for Cyborg in Doom so he could have been a member of the Justice League here like in Doom.

@pete Very true. But the more I think of it, I think Supergirl would be a hard fit, with Superboy already in the picture.

@VctrBnsn We've seen a design for her in DCAU Original Animated Movies but Greg Weisman is picking lesser known heroes in addition to lesser known ones which is why he picked Superboy over Supergirl. I don't think Supergirl's deign would fit. It's a bit too old for the team

@pete Which is also why they are staying clear from many characters from Teen Titans. I'm surprised Beast Boy even made it, let alone Deathstroke.

@VctrBnsn Just the series though there are a lot of Titans from the comics. The original team was Robin/Dick Grayson, Kid Flash/Wally West, Aqualad, Speedy, and I think Wonder Girl/Donna Troy though she did join at some point. Other members overtime are Robin/Tim Drake, Bart Allen/Impulse, Superboy/Conner Kent, Miss Martian/Mehgan, Wonder Girl/Cassie Sandsmark, Blue Beetle, Static, and of course Beast Boy so there are plenty of Titans characters on the show just not many from the series. Also Greg Weisman said it mixes characters from the Titans and Young Justice comics.

@pete Yeah, I just meant the series. If they couldn't use any comic Titan characters, they wouldn't have a show now would they ;p ?

@VctrBnsn Unless they made all the teenagers up and only used the Justice League.

@pete That would kinda suck.

@VctrBnsn To add to it Starfire had design from Public Enemies. I would have liked her as an ally the team rescued from the Reech. Blackfire could have been portrayed as reach agent who betreayed Tamoran and the Tamoranians to the Reech.

@pete That could work. What about Raven?

@VctrBnsn Only one without a design. Robin's Beast Boy's was made up and Cybrog and Starfie as previously mentioned already had a design in DTV films that YJ's animation. Cyborg and Starfire just have to be animated but Raven has to go through the entire process completely before being animated so she like BB would take a while.

@pete I see. So, what non Teen Titan characters would you like to see if Season 3 were greenlit ( screw you CN!! )

@VctrBnsn I'm gonna agree with the users below about Darkseid. I also want the League to have more screen time like in Season 1 and characters like Plastic Man to get a VA.

@pete I would like to see the JL members get VAs to. This is who I think can voice them.
Plastic Man - Rob Paulsen
Hawkman - Fred Tatasciore
Hawkwoman - Jennifer Hale from IGAU
Black Lightning - Blair Underwood from the Thunder and Lightning shorts.
Hal Jordan - Scott Porter

@VctrBnsn If The Creeper is shown Rob should voice him. I'd like Tom Kenny to do Plastic Man in a serious adaption but Greg Weisman probably won't allow that so I'll say Josh Keaton.

@pete Why do you think Greg Weisman would not allow Tom Kenny to voice Plastic Man?

@coolgeek176 He's not much for reprisals. He wanted Young Justice to have an almost completely original cast, with the exception of a few like Bruce Greenwood as Batman. I think thats a good call.

@pete By the way, Rob Paulsen would be a FRIGGIN AWESOME Creeper. I'm not sure if I can see Josh as Plastic Man though, but I may just be ignorant to the full extent of his range.

@VctrBnsn I picture Plastic Man as a smart ass so that's why I said it. Didn't really think it through so I'll change my pick to James Arnold Taylor.

@pete James would be interesting.

@pete In a good way. I think he could pull it off.

@VctrBnsn Looks like I was right about Darkseid. DARN YOU CARTOON NETWORK.

@pete I literally just finished the episode like 2 minutes ago. WHY CARTOON NETWORK?! Just, why?
Does it please you to watch us suffer?

@VctrBnsn Lol same. It's more likely to make Greg Weisman suffer. Disney probably made a call to Cartoon Network and said "Cancel Young Justice at the end of the season. it will be funny".

@pete Oh well, I guess I just have to move on with my life, just like I did with Spectacular Spider-Man and Wolverine and the X-Men. At least we got a line out of Black Lightning by Phil LaMarr. I was half expecting Hawkman to get a line, possibly from Bruce Greenwood, but it never happened. Flash sounded like Jason Spisak.

@VctrBnsn OK, Khary Paton and James Arnold Taylor.

@VctrBnsn Just realized that they ended at 20 instead of 26. They should got an additional 6 for the Darkseid story. They could have "resurrected" Wally in the end and maybe even made him Flash, done more with the characters like Bart and Static and explained Endgame a bit more. I mean what would they have titled Season 3 Invasion Apokolips style? Darkseid should have been the series finale.

@pete DUDE! You're totally right. 6 episodes is more than enough to get a Darkseid story going. Oh well, it's to late now.

@pete If they did get 6 extra episodes, I would've rather they used that time to spotlight some underexposed Team members (Batgirl, Robin III, among others).

@pete Blame Beware the Batman, in all honesty, Beware the Batman shouldn't even exist. Why do their have to be cartoons that make the dark knight look like a friggin wimp?!

@LordofEvil96 We've barely seen anything from BTB, how can you tell they made him a wimp? ;-)

@TheVengeanceKnight For one thing it's meant to replace Batman: The Brave and the Bold, which was campy enough. And they're toning down Professor Pyg and Mr. Toad, and I may not know much about either one of them but they both sound like villains that a 5 year old would come up with, and from what I've heard they're portrayed very violently in the comics. So if these 2 villains are so violent then why does their animation debut have to be such a campy show?

@LordofEvil96 From what i read of pig in the comics he's a really disturbing villain. Didn't find anythin on Mr. Toad though. By your logic any 5 year old can name a character Mr. Zzazz and look how dark he is. He can't even appear in most media.

@pete I was referring to their names, not their back stories.

@LordofEvil96 Ok th en that's fine but how do you this show will be campy? Since I used Mr. Zzazz already I'll use him again. Mr. Zazzz is too violent to be shown on anything outside of the Nolanverse and a video game so far and in he was toned down to his nature. If an Original Animated Feature was made that featured Mr. Zzazz, Professor Pyg, and Mr. Toad with a completely accurate version of their comic counterparts it might as well be rated R. If Batman TAS or he New Batman Adventures tried to do an acccurate version of Mr. Zzazz censors wouldn't be too happy about it. You can tone a character down without putting on a campy show. It can be a serious show like TAS or TNBA just with some alterations to characters.

@pete *then

@LordofEvil96 I'm pretty sure BTB is meant to be a return to the darker and more serious Batman, a la BTAS, in a contrast with BatB.

@LordofEvil96 I wouldn't hate on a show before I see it. Wanna know what my thoughts were of certain shows before I saw them?
Spectacular Spider-Man - Gonna suck. The animation sucks. It won't be as good as 90's Spider-Man. Won't Watch IT!
Wolverine and the X-Men - Gonna suck compared to 90's X-Men.
Avengers : Earths Mightiest Heroes - Disney just bought Marvel so this is gonna suck.
Iron Man : Armored Adventure - TEENAGE TONY!! FAIL!!
Green Lantern TAS - CGI, really. Go back to traditional animation.

Those are my favorite shows now, and now I think it sucks THAT THEY ALL GOT CANCELLED >:O. Maybe we'll feel the same about Beware the Batman.

@VctrBnsn Iron Man Armored Adventure was cancelled?

@pete Yep. I've heard some rumors of the show starting up again, but the official word is that it's cancelled.

@pete *Adventures

@VctrBnsn OMG I know exactly how you feel. :-P

@TheVengeanceKnight Amen brother.

@TheVengeanceKnight Yeah it got me really into the show. I barely watched Season 1.

@Music Meister If any one character talks in a TV show or movie or video game, then they're just as deserving of a voice clip on this site as any other.

@CatsTuxedo Indeed, I'm having a blast listening to all the clips :-D

@TheVengeanceKnight yeah, I did a comparison a while back too and he's not as raspy in YJ as he was in RH. He also sounded a lot more energetic in RH. Of course dialogue-wise, he had a lot more to work with than he does in YJ.

@Foxwolf And he had the awesome Andrea Romano directing him there as opposed to here. ;-)

@TheVengeanceKnight
I think Jamie Thomason (YJ's voice director) is a talented voice director, and I believe the cast choices for the Team members show it. But I do wish that Greenwood's Batman had the chance to display a wide emotional range in YJ like he did in Red Hood- but he's not the show's focus, so I guess it can't be helped. I guess that's something we can agree on.
Random bit of trivia: YJ is the first DC animated production since the days of the DCAU that doesn't have Andrea Romano as voice director. Don't get me wrong- I adore Andrea Romano as a voice director. She was a big reason why my childhood was so awesome.

@mweloo Yeah, I'll admit that my last comment did seem a bit prick-ish.

@pete I thought he sounded too old as Speedy.

@TheVengeanceKnight as much as I enjoy Crispin's voice, I agree. What's he supposed to be, 13?

@Foxwolf 15. Still too old though.

@TheVengeanceKnight Some guys' voices *can* be that deep by that age, but I see what you're saying and actually agree with you. I've never thought this version of Speedy/Red Arrow should be part of the YJ team because he sounds so old. Sounds about 24-25 to me.

@SparklyShake12 Maybe he's one of those teens who put on a fake deep voice to sound tough. :-P

@TheVengeanceKnight Actually in "Agendas" it says he's 18.

@pete He was captured 3 years prior to the start, and he didn't age during the 8 years he was on ice.

@TheVengeanceKnight Continuity error then since the League knew he was a clone.

@pete They didn't know back then.

@Bombermanp while I don't hate this version, he's definitely not very "Riddler"-ey. Seems to me he's just used for his intelligence. And honestly we don't see enough of him to know much more about him.

@Bombermanp Eh, they've done worse with other established characters. *cough* Joker.

@TheVengeanceKnight
nah joker was just "Ok" besides that one F**k up when his voice changed dramatically... hell at least YJ joker was still joker.. the riddler in YJ is WAY to differnt and pathetic compared to the other versions of him

@Bombermanp Riddler's ALWAYS pathetic when he doesn't have his fancy deathtraps and riddles behind him, and he is about to be defeated. His breakdown in B:TAS's "Riddler's Reform" was a good example of that.

@Bombermanp I didn't really think their Riddler was pathetic. Well, except for the voice. =P

@Foxwolf:
Maybe they will jump into the Batman Beyond / Zeta Project future? That would be interesting though a bit impractical, I'd think. Then again, "Bloodlines" does show a future scenario that I can't imagine would be for nothing.

@AMT That's a very common stereotype. And with how much the cast has expanded, there's really not much to work with.

@Mr.Fennoy93 Why John DiMaggio if I may ask (although I think he would be cool)

@Mr.Fennoy93 Ehhh...IDK about DiMaggio as Darkseid. He's a great VA, but for some reason I can't see him doing him justice. I agree with Foxwolf that Keith David would be an awesome Darkseid.

@TheVengeanceKnight I can definitely see Keith David as Darkseid better than John DiMaggio. I think DiMaggio might be better suited for Kalibak if he were ever to appear.

@VocalChameleon

Well there is Michael Dorn As Kalibak.

@SLEDGERAID

Just Something New. It would be the 2nd time that Darkseid would be voiced by a Futurama Voice actor. He would be using the voice from the Faceless Hunter from Batman the brave & the bold.

@Mr.Fennoy93 Doubt it would happen, unfortunately. =(

@TheVengeanceKnight

It would happen. Plus his greatness is over 9000.

@SLEDGERAID he'd be a badass Darkseid!

@Foxwolf OH MY GOD. That would be awesome!

@SLEDGERAID and if we're talking about Gargoyles VA's. am i the only one who thought that Jonathan Frakes would've made a good Lex Luthor even though Luthor and Xanatos are pretty similar characters.

@Foxwolf OH HELL YEA HE WOULD I DIDNT REALLY THINK BOUT THAT!!!!!!!!!!!! HE WOULD BE LIKE THE BEST DARKSEID EVER!!!!!!

@Foxwolf I think it woulda been cool if they did dat that or have Clancy Brown reprise but The guy doing Lex sounds pretty cool

@SLEDGERAID yeah, I like the fact that he's super calm in his voice and still able to be control of the situation. It's a nice contrast to Clancy's version who often lost his temper or vented in frustration.

@Foxwolf I still prefer Clancy, but Mark Rolston does good as Lex.

@Foxwolf
About Jonathan Frakes, I think he could be an great Highfather. Based on the voice he used as High Evolutionary in SHQS.

@TheVengeanceKnight even though they showed Mongul in the beginning of "War", for a brief moment when Warworld was approaching Earth, I thought (and was hoping) it was Apokalips and that the voice was Darkseid. Soooooo close in my guess casting, but still great to have Keith David show up.

@Foxwolf I haven't seen the episode yet; how does Mongul compared to JLU Mongul?

@TheVengeanceKnight sorry, didn't mean to spoil the ep for you. thought you'd seen it. i'll let you decide for yourself :)

@Foxwolf Well, he was pretty cool. :-)

@Foxwolf Well you got your wish for Darkseid to appear unfortunately it came with a price.

@pete I wonder who they would've gotten to voice him.

@TheVengeanceKnight I would like to have seen Tony Dodd as Darkseid.

@VctrBnsn That'd be suite

@pete They already had him as Icon so I don't think it would have been a stretch. But alas, we shall never know. Excuse me for a moment(goes to room and cries for hours).

@Music Meister Seriously? Why would they do an "alternate future thing?"

Besides, according to future episode descriptions, the timeskip is here to stay. We'll see more of the old main cast, though.

@Music Meister it WAS a bit of a shock to me but I thoroughly enjoyed the episode. The premise reminds me a lot of JLU, with the team expansions. Granted that means character development will likely be minimal with all the characters now. However, I liked the character interactions that I saw in the latest ep.

Personally I love shows that grow their characters in both development AND in physical age and looks. So while the 5 year gap is rather huge, I think it would've been better to age them gradually throughout the episodes and seasons. Let the audience grow WITH the characters.

@D.A.V.E. Reading this now is kinda funny, considering there IS an alternate future in this show...kinda. :-P

@Foxwolf

That's why I've always liked younger heroes; we get to see them grow and develop into older heroes. :-)

@TheVengeanceKnight and there's a better chance the kid audience can relate to them.

Had there been another season, I think it woulda been cool to get a teen Kyle Rayner join the Team.

@Foxwolf Wait, this show has a kid audience? I find that difficult to believe considering how hard this show tries to be "adult".

@CatsTuxedo Just because something is serious doesn't mean kids don't like it. I know kids who like this show.

@coolgeek176 Cats' question was moot to begin with. Why would a show on Cartoon Network not have a kid audience and be able to last 2 seasons. Obviously it didn't reach a large enough audience to justify longevity, but there's no way "adults" sustained the show on their own.

@Foxwolf Actually, for these last few years, CN's been putting a bit more focus on their older viewer demographic, hence the increased presence of TV-PG shows on the channel, though that's probably beside the point.

@Foxwolf Yeah, that would've been cool. He's always getting shafted when it comes to GL adaptations. :-(

@CatsTuxedo good to hear. why restrict your audience to just kids when you can have tweens, teens and what not as well.

@CatsTuxedo Believe it or not, kids are more intelligent than people give credit for and are capable of understanding sophisticated storytelling like YJ.

@TheVengeanceKnight Understanding storytelling and truly appreciating it are two different things.

@CatsTuxedo are you telling me you can appreciate a story without understanding it?

@Foxwolf Guess I didn't word that clearly enough. What I meant to get across is that appreciating storytelling takes a lot more than merely understanding it. Sure, you might get what's going on, but whether you care or not is another matter entirely.

@CatsTuxedo I see nothing to suggest that they won't appreciate it.

@AWIG I agree. Misplaced was like a mini-movie. Loving the characters and the animation. Hoping the season ends with the Light story arc tying up with all the other events of the season.

@Music Meister I completely agree with you; while it certainly doesn't even compete with Teen Titans, it's still one of the best DC animated series, and the only decent CN show in a while. :'(

@Music Meister Young Justice is good, but Teen Titans will always be a classic.

@Music Meister Really? It's only been about eight months...!

@Music Meister here's an update from one of the shows creators.
http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?rid=898

@Bombermanp hmm, interesting. do you have a source for it?

@Foxwolf lol i found it funny that i was right back then even tho i had no sources XD

@Bombermanp haha, that's a rare talent my friend :P though I've learned lately that Greg Weisman likes to use voice actors he's worked with in the past. And nothing hits closer to home than his cancelled Spectacular Spider-Man.

@D.A.V.E. thanks again. it's great to get actors for voiced characters that didn't appear in the credits.

i'll definitely be asking Greg about all the other minor characters in the series so far.

@D.A.V.E. She has now thanks to your comment :)

@NCZ I totally recommend it. The tone is very serious and the animation is even more detailed than Justice League.

It's only been 8 episodes, but this is already one of most favorite animated series ever!

@GothamRed

Impossible. Killer Frost never spoke at all.

@D.A.V.E. Just grunts and stuff, not actual dialogue