Shakugan no Shana

Shakugan no Shana
Voice Director: Karl Willems

US Home Media: Sep 05, 2006
Japan Premiere: Oct 06, 2005
Japan Conclusion: 2006

Seasons: 1
Episodes: 24

Animation Studio: J.C.Staff

Popularity: 280th All Time, 517th This Week

Franchise: Shakugan no Shana
Characters on BTVA: 25
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Ichigo341578926
said at 6:34 PM on Thu Jan 21 2016
I like both the Ocean and Funimation dubs, but I think they both didn't cast well for one character on each version. I wasn't that big a fan of Tabitha St. Germain as Shana, and although being a big fan of this voice actor I didn't feel he was casted well on this and that was Greg Ayres as Sato. In all honesty Todd Haberkorn would have been better as Sato. Plus then Greg could have voiced Khamsin, whom of which he would have fit better for.
BioZero216
said at 11:22 AM on Mon Sep 14 2015
 3 Shout Outs!
I feel I should address the whole controversy about the dubs of this franchise. Now, I prefer the Ocean dub as well. It was really well done. But Funi cannot afford to outsource to Canada for another 75 episodes plus a movie. It's not their fault. Honestly if Geneon left all of their anime to Viz instead, the Ocean VA's probably would've returned. Viz has a lot of funds from their Manga sales. Much more than any other licensing company. They can actually afford to outsource their dubs, though, they don't do it very much anymore, as LA is their preferred dubbing circle. But, we should not blame this on Funi. I enjoy both dubs, and both Karl Willems and Christopher Bevins are solid directors.
HienFan
said at 10:06 AM on Sun Aug 3 2014
 8 Shout Outs!
Like this dub so much better than the one for the later seasons, I know I will get axed for this(oh everyone can bash off at Ocean and 4Kids but if you say anything not so positive about Funimation prepare a lot of hate mails) while Funimation have their moments(Full Metal Alchemist) I don't think they are perfect at coming up with distinct voices for the most part
PsychicVoiceSpy
said at 12:37 PM on Sat Aug 9 2014
@HienFan I like Funimation and I totally see your point. I don't think they use their talent very effectively a lot of the time.
HienFan
said at 8:01 AM on Mon Aug 11 2014
@PsychicVoiceSpy I like some of their work(Full Metal Alchemist, Keroro Gunso though I think they should have casted Vic as Keroro instead of Todd, DBZ, One Piece), I don't like others(Kurama's stiff voice in YuYu Hakusho among others, Shana here)

I don't think those are Funimation but rather ADV but the actors are involved but I hate the voices in Kanon and Clannad they sound incredibly awkward

Now I don't know where No.6 is casted but Greg Ayres hi but for the most part they sound good except for Safu she sounds very stiff

But I do know for one thing why do they sometimes like to use incredibly generic or stiff voices? Other companies do it as well(ODEX THE KING OF STIFF GENERIC VOICES) but I note it happens on their work more often
Sahgo
said at 1:06 AM on Tue Oct 30 2012
 5 Shout Outs!
I agree with PurpleWarrior13; Shakugan no Shana was one of the Ocean Group's finest anime dubs, and it's a shame they're simply replacing everyone when they showed so much care for cast consistency with Slayers, Tenchi Muyo and, to a minor extent, Tales of Vesperia: The First Strike.

Not that I don't think FUNimation's cast won't do a great job, but it's a shame these fine Canadian talents won't have another chance to shine. Oh well...
PurpleWarrior13
said at 1:28 AM on Mon Sep 3 2012
 6 Shout Outs!
I am so pissed that they changed all the voices for the second season. When you've been hearing characters a certain way for dozens of episodes, you naturally expect to KEEP hearing them the same way. I'm tired of FUNimation's BS. They pulled this with Trigun too. Granted, the replacements weren't awful, but that doesn't matter. It's never good to screw over multiple voice actors just because you want to go cheap and have it all done with the same 12 actors you always use, that everyone's getting sick and tired of hearing. Why not do what you're doing with Hellsing, and what you did for Slayers Seasons 4-5, as well as Tenchi GXP, and the 3rd Tenchi OVA (the former didn't even need to happen, since the original characters only made cameos, and they still didn't get the original VAs back anyway, but I'm happy FUNimation had it recorded in CA anyway)? They'd BETTER not pull this for Black Lagoon. Oh NO! There'd be hell to pay from the fans of they did...
Strife
said at 11:03 PM on Sun Sep 9 2012
@PurpleWarrior13 The first voices were dubbed by a different company, like, six years ago. All the other actors are all over the place. Tabitha St. Germain, who voiced Shana, now voices Rarity on My Little Pony.
In Canada.

You complain without knowing the complications of putting together a production. You sound like a child.

If you want to be a jerk about this, you better know I can be a lot worse.

Point being, get on twitter and #DEALWITHIT
PurpleWarrior13
said at 12:37 AM on Mon Sep 10 2012
@Strife I'm just really disappointed about the lack of care on FUNimation's part. I can't see how difficult it would be for FUNi to use Ocean, seeing as Viz (another American-based company BTW) used them recently for InuYasha: The Final Act (about 5 or 6 years after the original InuYasha), and while a couple key characters were recast, most returned to reprise their roles (speaking of which, Geneon, the company responsible for Shana Season 1's English production, was also American). Tabitha is still very much a working voice actress. She shouldn't have to get the shaft because a certain company refuses to use any studio other than the one they always use. They HAVE outsourced several English dubs before. They are very capable of doing so with this.

For the record, this has been a very controversial decision to change the entire voice cast. I'm most certainly not the only one complaining. A lot of people are complaining that FUNimation is constantly using the same voice actors over and over again (including for this), and show little care towards voice actors (especially Trigun, where the original cast was based out of LA... several FUNi dubs HAVE been recorded in LA... ).

One thing Viz does right, is make sure the voices are consistent. They have outsourced their English dubs to LA, Vancouver, Calgary, New York, and many other places. They are even reuniting the original English Berserk cast for the new movie series. The original Berserk English dub came out over 10 years ago, and Viz is using a company they have never worked with before! Not even the Japanese voices were the same for the recent movies! Viz usually uses LA-talent now, but for Berserk and InuYasha, they listened to the fans...

Heck, Sentai (a much smaller company than FUNimation, also based out of Texas) has gone out of their way to have some of their English dubs done in Los Angeles when they license new media to a show originally recorded there (Persona 4, K-On, Rozen Maiden), and back when they were ADV, they used NYAV Post to dub the second season of Ah! My Goddess with the same cast Media Blasters used for the first!

If other companies can do this, why not FUNi (the largest US anime distribution company BTW)... FUNi has even done this before... why not for Trigun and Shana?
Strife
said at 11:30 AM on Mon Sep 10 2012
@PurpleWarrior13 No, I guess you can't possibly see how difficult anything is. From a fan's perspective a cartoon just magically comes out and if there's anything you all don't like, it's because the people who made it just don't care.
PurpleWarrior13
said at 11:11 PM on Mon Sep 10 2012
@Strife Did you read a single word I wrote? I (and many other fans) have very good reasons to be disappointed. I backed that up with many points, and compared FUNimation's practices to practically every other existing anime company. Heck, I even compared FUNimation's practices to THEIR OWN practices. Outsourcing production is NOT new to them. They even still do it today with shows like Hellsing and Slayers, but why they didn't even ATTEMPT it for Trigun and Shana is a mystery (especially Trigun). I am very aware of how production works, and I am very aware of the process that goes into to creating an English-language production of an anime property, so don't try and make me seem like I'm some brainless fan who has no idea what they're talking about.
Strife
said at 8:57 AM on Tue Sep 11 2012
@PurpleWarrior13 First, I don't give a damn how you or many other fans feel. You don't know why they didn't outsource production that time. Maybe the other actors were unavailable. Maybe there was a legal issue. It could very well been a money issue because so-called anime fans don't buy anything. Most people working on anime are doing it because they love anime, unlike their so-called fans who would much rather just pirate it. So show some Respect.
You're confusing people not caring for not getting everything you want all the time.
PurpleWarrior13
said at 12:37 AM on Wed Sep 12 2012
@Strife First of all, I do purchase my anime. I don't believe in pirating a series that is readily available for purchasing on DVD/Blu-Ray, or available for legal streaming (I do stream a lot of my anime on Netflix before I purchase, and occasionally Hulu as well). I do agree that the people who DO pirate a large chunk of their anime (and other media as well), probably shouldn't complain too much, but that doesn't mean those of us who DO watch this stuff legally shouldn't be ignored. This is a reasonable complaint that LOTS of fans who legally purchase this stuff have been complaining about. Fans have a right to complain. If FUNi didn't listen to their fans, they would've gone the way of DiC or 4Kids...

In summary for everything else, what I'm saying is that it doesn't make sense for Hellsing Ultimate's English dub to be outsourced to the exact same studio as Trigun's TV series English dub, and for the Trigun movie to have sound-a-likes replace the original iconic voices (besides, it's TRIGUN, not some random obscure anime title, and it's only for a two-hour movie too, not some new triple-digit episode meta series...). FUNi's even "in contact" with Ocean for Black Lagoon's new episodes, and while that series' English dub is far more iconic/renowned than this one, there's no reason FUNi couldn't have worked something out for Shana too...

And yes, I know the voice actors, writers, directors, etc put a lot of work into their jobs, and it's certainly not their fault. I'm not bashing them or their talents. It's the "powers that be" within the company itself that I'm pretty angry with...

Granted, I'm more angry about Trigun. It makes no sense for each Hellsing Ultimate episode to be outsourced to New Generation Pictures in California, and all 26 new Slayers episodes to be (thank god) outsourced to NYAV Post in both New York and California, but the Trigun movie to NOT be outsourced anywhere, when FUNi clearly had contacts to get the original iconic voices back... Until FUNi explains themselves, it's natural to question why they didn't bother.
PsychicVoiceSpy
said at 12:09 PM on Wed Aug 21 2013
@PurpleWarrior13 I agree. I mean, there are a few casting choices in FUNimation's cast I like, but some of the choices like Josh Grelle, Greg Ayres, Todd Haberkorn... bleh. It's getting disappointing to see how little Ocean is being used for anime now, and for most of the characters in this show FUNi's actors just feel like a step down. Not that any of them are just flat-out horrible, (well, I haven't heard them all) but some of them are just so recognizable that half of the cast list seems like a copy/paste job of their other cast lists.

And yes, what they did with Trigun still angers me. If they had brought the original four lead actors back Trigun Badlands Rumble would have been an easy purchase for me, but without them I just couldn't bring myself to care enough...
PurpleWarrior13
said at 1:22 PM on Wed Aug 21 2013
@PsychicVoiceSpy It really does. The voice actors themselves are really talented, but they aren't given a WHOLE lot of range to grow (depending on the VA of course). Colleen Clinkenbeard as Margary Daw was such an obvious choice, the end result is nothing interesting or unique. There are other people in FUNi's talent pool that would've been better and more interesting. Same with both Shana and Yuji. Since this is 50 episodes and a movie we're talking about, the situation isn't as bad as, say, Trigun, but I still think FUNi could've done a better job matching the original voice artists and casting in general (did they seriously think Todd Haberkorn sounded like Cathy Weseluck?).

Luci, Brad, and Trina weren't bad in Trigun Badlands Rumble, and technically their performances ARE comparable to Dorothy, Jeff, and Lia respectively, but it's the principle of not bringing back the original voices, especially for a movie (they could've easily outsourced it to an LA studio) that annoys me. The replacement voices would've had to blow me out of the water to make up for that. Fortunately, Johnny came back, and the whole situation would've been more controversial had that not been the case. Even still, Dorothy Fahn and Jeff Nimoy really loose out on this one (I doubt Lia Sargent would've returned either way).
PsychicVoiceSpy
said at 1:54 PM on Wed Aug 21 2013
@PurpleWarrior13 The fact that they actually wanted Jeff Nimoy to fly all the way to Texas on his own money and not pay him worth a crap for it: "Hey! Remember that beloved role of yours you haven't done in about ten years? Yeah, come all the way out here, don't make any money, lose work you could be doing in Los Angeles, and you can have your role back for a whopping 3-4 scenes (which probably isn't even enough to earn an hours worth of pay)!" is the part that annoys me the most.

Not only did they cheat him big time with that, but they practically teased him with it! And I really miss Dorothy's Meryl, there's just no replacing her.

Back on topic with Shana, they have a whole backlog of actors they could have used, but in recent years it seems they've chosen to play it safe and cast their most used talent. Not only do they sometimes disregard original cast members of some of their properties, but they also severely under-utilize actors whom they've worked with before. I just don't get what's up with their castings most of the time...
HienFan
said at 10:06 AM on Sun Aug 3 2014
@PurpleWarrior13 I agree mainly because I found that the first dub is more distinct
HienFan
said at 10:25 AM on Sun Aug 3 2014
@PsychicVoiceSpy It can be problematic if you don't like certain voice actors(Cherami Leigh history of Kawaii desu voices) to see that they are always in every single of that role
PurpleWarrior13
said at 2:54 PM on Sat Aug 9 2014
@HienFan I actually really regret making all the comments here, and am embarrassed reading them now. They're highly unprofessional, and I can understand, from a business standpoint, sticking with cheaper substitutes for a show like Shana since it's a fairly obscure show with a smaller fanbase. Also consider that they had to dub about 50 episodes, some OVAs, and a movie. That's a LOT to dub, and using the expensive Vancouver voice actors was probably just not worth it.

Trigun: Badlands Rumble on the other hand was a bit ridiculous since it from a really popular franchise, and just one movie. They could've easily had that done in LA by a studio they've worked with before like New Generation Pictures (or at least compensate Jeff and Dorothy to travel to Texas). But that's neither here nor there anymore. It was years ago, and it REALLY isn't something worth caring about anymore. Besides, FUNimation's gotten a lot better with handling original casts (Black Lagoon, Ikki Tousen, Bayonetta, even Ghost in the Shell to some extent). I even think the Badlands Rumble dub turned out fine under the circumstances.

Sorry for the long post. Just thought I'd clear some things up. :)
HienFan
said at 7:26 AM on Mon Aug 11 2014
@PurpleWarrior13 Maybe wish they tried not to make it sound so generic though
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